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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thats not true, Joe, it is lack of financial and
political desire. Our best bet was to get some support</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>from the those who wanted to get out from under
ICANN control.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We found that in the nation of Turkey and at the
same time the large European ISP Tiscali.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe was part of this effort and in the summer of
2005, he went to Holland to work on the project with Herman </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and when he got there, he tried, like Joe always
does, to take over and boss people around and when</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>they wouldn't let him do so, he turned on them and
began his campaign of slander and lies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This scared the very conservative business types
like those in Tiscali and the govt of Turkey. They perceived they</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos and
ran away from the project. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is it - up in smoke. The one good chance that
we had. I'm sure ICANN was breathing a sigh of relief. Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thinks Joe is a paid shill for ICANN because he
always seems to screw up the INS just as its about to realize</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a success. I just think he is a control freak and
psychotic whose attention has unfortunatly been caught by</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the INS. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thats the long and the short of it. Joe has spent
every waking moment since then in his apartment in Peterborough, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ontario, concatenating files of useless information
together to publish on his website about how everyone else is a crook
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and he is the savior of the internet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bottom line: He went to Holland and tried to boss
people around and they wouldn't let him and this is what</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>he does in response to their rebuff. I know Herman
Xennt doesn't like to respond in these kind of fora, but</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>he does monitor. I wish he would come on and give
some more first hand detail of this debacle, but I can</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>understand how was traumatized by Joe's behavior in
the past and would want to avoid an encounter with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>him in the future. Even I have to back off
for awhile every now and then because it gets to be too much.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Folks, if you do any research on Joe, you can see
that he's been thrown off of just about every respectable</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>list on the internet and has been a problem child
for what is now going on to 20 years. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for the TLDA, we are kind of in a dormant state.
Karl Peters has backed away, probably because he is tired of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>this stuff. Others are struggling with financial
difficulties and family issues now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I always say, as much as a person can hold out
hope, after awhile, if it looks like there is very little </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>possibility of success, it is very, very hard to
find motivation to work as hard as it would take to make this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>work out. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That being said, the INS does have
infrastructure, it is real. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We have two RSN, PublicRoot (<A
href="http://www.public-root.com">www.public-root.com</A>), WorldRoot (<A
href="http://www.worldroot.net">www.worldroot.net</A>).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are two SRSs - The Inclusive
Namespace Registry System (Mine) and POSSR (Bradley
Thornton's)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ADNS still registers domains in about a dozen TLDs
(<A href="http://www.adns.net">www.adns.net</A>).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>LionMail (<A
href="http://lion-mail.net">http://lion-mail.net</A>) is the first and (as far
as I know) only web-mail system that operates with e-mail addresses in the INS.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now, there is the prospect that ICANN will steal
what we worked for and give it away to someone else. If I did that with
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>cars, I'd be in prison. Why can ICANN get away with
it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That should be what we are talking
about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some of us keep the faith, even though its very
lonely. I can tell you that my registry ops and LionMail COST me money,
money</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>that I pay out of my paycheck as a business
consultant and software developer. I do it because I still have faith that
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>somehow, something may work out. One of the things
that I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do is to allow Joe to spew his</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>lies about the past, with out answer. Like
the holocaust deniers, Joe commits offenses, destroys lives and businesses and
then tries to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>blame everyone else on what he caused. I will NEVER
let those lies go unanswered.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am younger than Joe, by about 20 years, best I
can tell, and my only solace is that, all things being equal, I'll</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>outlive him, and will have the last word.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=baptista@publicroot.org href="mailto:baptista@publicroot.org">Joe
Baptista</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hdierker2204@yahoo.com
href="mailto:hdierker2204@yahoo.com">Hugh Dierker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ga@gnso.icann.org
href="mailto:ga@gnso.icann.org">ga@gnso.icann.org</A> ; <A
title=abel@able-towers.com href="mailto:abel@able-towers.com">abel wisman</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment
with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the
I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root
servers)</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:hdierker2204@yahoo.com">hdierker2204@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>For instance: It would seem that the failure of the TLDA is
a fine indicator of a lack of political and financial desire that it
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<DIV><BR>Generally the community that supported it has all jumped ship. The
only people left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt posse.<BR><BR>However I
don't think that represents a lack of political and financial desire. The lack
of interest is not in the TLDA but the people who control it.
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