[Baptista-offenses] Problems kick-starting the Inclusive Namespace

[John Palmer]

Thats not true, Joe, it is lack of financial and political desire. Our best bet was to get some support
from the those who wanted to get out from under ICANN control.

We found that in the nation of Turkey and at the same time the large European ISP Tiscali.

Joe was part of this effort and in the summer of 2005, he went to Holland to work on the project with Herman 
and when he got there, he tried, like Joe always does, to take over and boss people around and when
they wouldn't let him do so, he turned on them and began his campaign of slander and lies.

This scared the very conservative business types like those in Tiscali and the govt of Turkey. They perceived they
were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos and ran away from the project. 

There is it - up in smoke. The one good chance that we had. I'm sure ICANN was breathing a sigh of relief. Tom
thinks Joe is a paid shill for ICANN because he always seems to screw up the INS just as its about to realize
a success. I just think he is a control freak and psychotic whose attention has unfortunatly been caught by
the INS. 

Thats the long and the short of it. Joe has spent every waking moment since then in his apartment in Peterborough, 
Ontario, concatenating files of useless information together to publish on his website about how everyone else is a crook 
and he is the savior of the internet.

Bottom line: He went to Holland and tried to boss people around and they wouldn't let him and this is what
he does in response to their rebuff. I know Herman Xennt doesn't like to respond in these kind of fora, but
he does monitor. I wish he would come on and give some more first hand detail of this debacle, but I can
understand how was traumatized by Joe's behavior in the past and would want to avoid an encounter with
him in the future.  Even I have to back off for awhile every now and then because it gets to be too much.

Folks, if you do any research on Joe, you can see that he's been thrown off of just about every respectable
list on the internet and has been a problem child for what is now going on to 20 years. 

As for the TLDA, we are kind of in a dormant state. Karl Peters has backed away, probably because he is tired of
this stuff. Others are struggling with financial difficulties and family issues now.

As I always say, as much as a person can hold out hope, after awhile, if it looks like there is very little 
possibility of success, it is very, very hard to find motivation to work as hard as it would take to make this
work out. 

That being said, the INS does have infrastructure, it is real. 

We have two RSN, PublicRoot (www.public-root.com), WorldRoot (www.worldroot.net).

There are two SRSs - The Inclusive Namespace Registry System (Mine) and POSSR (Bradley Thornton's)

ADNS still registers domains in about a dozen TLDs (www.adns.net).

LionMail (http://lion-mail.net) is the first and (as far as I know) only web-mail system that operates with e-mail addresses in the INS. 

Now, there is the prospect that ICANN will steal what we worked for and give it away to someone else. If I did that with 
cars, I'd be in prison. Why can ICANN get away with it?

That should be what we are talking about.

Some of us keep the faith, even though its very lonely. I can tell you that my registry ops and LionMail COST me money, money
that I pay out of my paycheck as a business consultant and software developer. I do it because I still have faith that 
somehow, something may work out. One of the things that I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do is to allow Joe to spew his
lies about the past, with out answer.  Like the holocaust deniers, Joe commits offenses, destroys lives and businesses and then tries to
blame everyone else on what he caused. I will NEVER let those lies go unanswered.

I am younger than Joe, by about 20 years, best I can tell, and my only solace is that, all things being equal, I'll
outlive him, and will have the last word. 

Cheers,
John


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Baptista 
  To: Hugh Dierker 
  Cc: ga at gnso.icann.org ; abel wisman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)





  On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204 at yahoo.com> wrote:


          For instance:  It would seem that the failure of the TLDA is a fine indicator of a lack of political and financial desire that it exists.   


  Generally the community that supported it has all jumped ship. The only people left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt posse.

  However I don't think that represents a lack of political and financial desire. The lack of interest is not in the TLDA but the people who control it. 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/baptista-offenses/attachments/20100408/7932da0f/attachment.html