From baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Tue Apr 1 17:11:02 2008 From: baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:05:00 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Message-ID: <026701c8943c$e44058b0$64904002@TAKA> After the latest bout of non-sense from Joe Baptista and some of the responses to his ravings, it is clear that people are not aware of the damage that Joe Baptista has been engaged in on the internet. Such a destructive force requires a watchdog organization to keep track of the truth so that unsuspecting people are not taken in nor intimidated by such a person. We have such organizations to watch over hate groups, for instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center monitors white supremicist, nazi and other hate groups in the United States and the Simon Wiezenthal center still hunts for nazi war criminals, so its not without precedent that destructive groups or individuals have those who watch their moves and words to quickly respond with the truth This list will be a group of first responders who will quickly respond to his damaging behaviour with facts. I'm sorry that this list is neccessary, but sometimes you have to fight for whats right and defend reality.John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. All are allowed to join this list and post. Be civil and above all POST ALL EVIDENCE that you have. Don't make up stories - that hurts the credibility of the rest of the facts presented here. Use links copiously. Remeber, people will be reading this stuff in the archives for decades to come. Joe can certainly respond here as well, but his posts are moderated because he will no doubt attempt to disrupt the judicial-like proceedings here. If he behaves, he can post. No personal attacks like those on the ga list will be allowed. Oh, and if anyone has enough real material to post that it takes more than five posts per day, please by all means, post more than five times. John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. ###################################### Join the Baptista Truth Watch at http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/Baptista-Offenses ###################################### From baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Tue Apr 1 15:41:45 2008 From: baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:35:50 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Look out !!! (-> Message-ID: <453748.15629.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> "I met a man in New Orleans wore a half suit with dark blue jeans Kicked his heals together winked at me real nice. 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URL: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/baptista-offenses/attachments/20080401/eba912c2/attachment.html From baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Tue Apr 1 18:44:03 2008 From: baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) Date: Tue Apr 1 18:37:57 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Exhibit 2008-04-0001: GA slander in response to my innocent post about the INS Message-ID: <02d701c89449$e2c71340$64904002@TAKA> This is a message that I posted in response to slanders JB posted to the GA List. In this humerous post, JB has decided that I and Tom Baxter are one and the same person. ------------------------- Let me address this Thomas Baxter issue: Tom came to me several months ago and asked if I knew anything about the TLDA and if I could help him get his TLD into the root networks. I told him all that I knew about the TLDA and its good and bad (mostly due to Joe Baptista) points. About the same time that he contacted me, I was thinking about setting up a "backstop" root network because I realized that the INS only had one real root running, that is public-root.com (see Joe, I remembered the dash this time). I agreed to host his TLDs for the time being, so that he would qualify for membership in the TLDA, but that he would have to sign a registry agreement with AWI and become and INRS registry if he wanted to populate his TLD with more than just the bare-bones SOA and NS records. Since then, he has decided not to join the TLDA, but I will still host his TLDs for the time being. I've also set up worldroot.net and have populated it with the latest zone file from public-root. This root is intended as a backstop in case something happens to the public-root itself. I don't intent on editing the zone file unless there are name server errors. If anyone sees errors, please let me know by using the webform at worldroot.net. This root is not compliant with the RFC's regarding root operations. Compliance costs too much money and I've already spent all that I'm going to out of my pocket over the last 10 years in this endeavour. If someone wants it to be compliant, poney up the cash to host it in secure data centers and do all of the other things required by the RFCs. Till then, it is what it is. If and when the TLDA gets the Taproot done, I'll be glad to substitute that for the current zone file. I have no interest in spending time ruling on the validity of TLDs within the root zone. Regarding Joe's comments about Tom and I: Apparently, Joe decided that we must be one in the same person. We are not. I have visted Tom when I was in his area (Allentown) on client business. He runs a little computer repair shop out of the living room of his row house on Tilghman St. to make ends meet.. He volunteers at the local school (Trexler Middle School on 15th St), teaching computer skills to kids and adults alike. He is kind of hard to understand sometimes with his thick Slavic accent (he grew up in the Czeck Republic) but he is a good person, volunteering in a community that needs alot of help (Allentown's economy has been depressed for years after the steel mills closed). He is very much real - sorry Joe, your paranoia is relegated to the tin-foil hat zone. (as is much of everything else you say). My Relationship with Herman Xennt: I agreed to host a root server in the public-root several years ago, before Joe's destructive path across Europe. I have not received any monies from Herman, INIAC or any other groups associated with them. I have paid them nothing. I have no formal agreement with them. I have never met Herman nor anyone else associated with Public-root, INAIC or any affiliated organizations. I have never spoken to Herman on the phone nor anyone else associated with Public-root, INAIC or any other affiliated organization. I have received 6 email's from Herman Xennt since 2005, mostly regarding operational issues regarding the public-root, since I do run the G root on that network. Bottom line: I have no relationship, financial or otherwise with Xennt, INAIC or other affiliated organizations other that that I run the G root. Get over it, Joe. Now on to Joe's "Expertise": You need to be careful about what information Joe gives you. You have to understand that Joe destroyed the best (and probably last) good chance that the Inclusive TLD industry had when we he went off the deep end in 2005 regarding some perceived wrong-doings that had taken place with public-root.com (Sorry Joe, we all make type-o's, thats not a capital offense). Joe managed to single-handedly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and in the end cost many TLD operators, some of whom (like myself) have been investing in our registry businesses for 10 years, hundreds of thousands of dollars and dashing the hopes of others who are trying to make ends meet. People like Leah Gallegos whose business product (.BIZ) was stolen from her by ICANN and now has to take another blow when her other TLD properties were rendered effectivly worthless by Joe's actions in Europe in 2005. In early 2007, Joe decided to attempt to mis-use the TLDA name for his own twisted purposes. The TLDA had been dormant for several years and I was stuck with maintianing the infrastructure (paying for the domains, hosting the nearly-empty e-mail lists), etc. I was the last elected Board Chairperson, and so I moved to protect the TLDA reputation from Joe's taint. Anyways, a big fight ensued and I finally gave up anything to to with the organization last October. I still maintain the domains (TLDA.NET, TLDA.ORG) and will hand them over to a worthty successor (rule 1: They must denounce Joe Baptista and ban him forever from the organization or else they don't get the domains). The TLDA re-organized in January 2007 under Georgia law and just recently had their first election of officers under the new charter. I am NOT a member now, and have nothing to do with the TLDA. Its best if I stay away and let others carry the burden for awhile - I served 6 years, its time for others to step up now. Now as to Tom's comment about Karl: Tom, Karl Peters has been a great advocate for the INS and if anyone can kick-start the TLDA he can. He is not a bad guy like Joe is. I only wish that he would see Joe for the destructive person he is and denounce him and dissassoiate himself from Joe. Sorry to be so long winded, but the record needs setting straight as it always does after an unpleaant bout of Baptistherria. ----- Original Message ----- From: chris@seo.pn To: Thomas Baxter ; ga@gnso.icann.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is. I have to tell you Thomas that when I wanted to learn more about what were then called by many, alt roots, Joe spent time to explain everything to me as did many others. So as far as whether Joe is helpful or not, I would say very helpful. He is straight to the point and doesn't have patience for people who are not being real about it though. Maybe that was the problem? Chris McElroy, NameCritic, Inc. http://www.seoserviceprovider.com/seoblog ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Baxter To: ga@gnso.icann.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is. Before, I thought you had good ideas for the I.N.S, mr Baptista, but I see now that you are part of the problem. Doing personal attacks like below solves no problems and all it does is give people a bad taste in their moths for the I.N.S. Sad, you and Karl at the TLDA both playing the same game with calling me palmer and calling palmer Baxter. My opinion is that the TLDA is corrupt and not worth mentioning. The industry is rudderless, crooked TLDA and monpoly icann is all we have. Of all the people I have met in the I.N.S, only Palmer helped me with my TLD name servers. Too bad there is only one of him (in spite of joes contentions) - we need more people to be helpful like that instead of people calling others names and always fighting. Thoms ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Baptista To: John Palmer Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:02:03 AM Subject: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is. John Baxter (or is that Palmer) - your new found nerviness concerns me. I appreciate your support for the inclusive name space. However the fact that you have been actively involved with an organization that has misrepresented the inclusive name space, bothers me. An organization that is run by one Herman Xennt, an associate of yours, who is currently under investigation by the very people you praise. This concerns me. One of the nice things about the inclusive name space is that unlike ICANN it is community based. And any fraud such as the type you have been associated with is quickly dealt with. So maybe this new found support of yours has something to do with repentance? On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:01 PM, John Palmer wrote: Yes, the ugly saga of ICANN. You know, the Inclusive Namespace is out there still, with roots Incorrect. There is an inclusive name space zone file published at least once per week. However there is no official inclusive name space root or roots. There are roots that claim to be inclusive name space compliant, but they all more or less fail testing. such as publicroot.com and worldroot.net and organizations like TLDA (just restarted, I hear) Lets hope this is not the beginning of another Baxter fraud. As far as I know there is no root at publicroot.com. I think you meant public-root.com where you are the G root operator. http://public-root.com/g-root.htm This root which is properly known as INAIC - www inaic.com - is under investigation by the TLDA, and the Dutch Public Prosecutors office, if not others. I don't think this is a good root for you to recommend to recommend and claim in any way they are an inclusive name space root. At this time the TLDA has not ruled on them nor certified those roots. I will be opposed to certification because there are serious ethics issues with the people you provide root service too. Lets consider this recommendation of Mr. Palmers a conflict of interest. Now worldroot.net is an run by the same Mr. Palmer who is recommending it. The worldroot.net I suspect is either a project just of Mr. Palmer's. Its a private root of Mr. Palmer's. I am concerned it is an attempt to brand a new root for his friend Herman Xennt to continue defrauding people. I'm going to assume Mr. Palmer is genuine about the worldroot.net. But let us not forget John that you created a TLD in the worldroot recently called .BAX which is associated with a bogus administrator. Recently we uncovered that you Mr. John Palmer were Mr. Thom Baxter and you attempted to be a member of the TLDA using a false identity. This was wrong. John was shamed before the community, and appropriately so, for participating in the fraudulent sale of TLDs. Just being associated with the fraudsters in the Netherlands is enough to sink any respect the community had for John. But creating a false identity to gain entry into the TLDA was unethical. And from a technical perspective the worldroot.net root system fails compliance tests. The root John runs is based on the INAIC.com root, which fails inclusive name space compatibility. People - if any of you want to join the inclusive name space the only place to do it is at www.tldainc.org - thats where the community is. Thats where the people power that is the new internet is at. For all the griping about ICANN, I don't see many folks who are complaining about them come over and assist the INS institutions in gaining greater use and viability. You should come out of exile. A lot has change since you were associated with the TLDA. Remember, we are still out here and have always been ready to serve as an alternative to ICANN. Perhaps those who want to see alternatives should come over and help. But be careful who you trust. The inclusive name space is the new wild west of the internet. Be careful of false peddlers of name space. Is that not correct Mr. Baxter. regards joe baptista From baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Tue Apr 1 18:46:46 2008 From: baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) Date: Tue Apr 1 18:40:41 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Exhibit 2008-04-0002: My response to JB's Further Slander on the GA List Message-ID: <02e401c8944a$442f4b20$64904002@TAKA> This one contains my response to JB's posting on the GA list which is his response to Exhibit 2008-04-0001 --------------------------------------------------- This is the last time I will respond on this list - I know you all are tired of hearing this, especially since we are all working on AGP issues. Remember, Joe launched his personal attacks as an off-topic response to my messages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Baptista" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is. > > Before I start I want to thank those people who had kind words to say > about me concerning my honesty. Indeed they are correct. Now I shall > reply to Mr. Palmers attempts to mislead us. > > John Palmer wrote: >> Let me address this Thomas Baxter issue: >> >> Tom came to me several months ago and asked if I knew anything about >> the TLDA and if I could help him get his TLD into the root networks. I >> told >> him all that I knew about the TLDA and its good and bad (mostly due to >> Joe Baptista) points. > Look if Baxter is real just have him call Karl Peters at the TLDA. Karl > has wanted to speak with Baxter now for some time and to that end he has > offered to call him by telephone etc. etc. To date Mr. Baxter has been > a bit shy about calling or being called by Peters. > > But I don't think this is going to happen. It is clear from a reading > of Mr. Baxters posts that he is you. At worst we are dealing with a > personality disorder and at best you are simply using the Baxter > personality to commit a fraud of no importance. > > The inclusive name space community is fed up with phony fronts. If Mr. > Baxter wants his TLD to have some degree of credibility, and as his root > operator he now must provide proof so you not lose face again before the > ins community, > > I'm willing to apologize to you and Mr. Baxter if I am indeed wrong. > But Mr. Baxters going to have to do some leg work to make that so. Of > course I'm very sure that you are Baxter and Baxter is you. He knows > much to much insider details - especially as they concern the HEX > project in the Netherlands. And whens hes cornered he swears just like > you. So until I see otherwise I'm willing to assume the "John Palmer" = > "Thom Baxter" is a safe bet. > I can't speak for Tom, but Tom can decide if he wants to call Karl or not. Prove your statement or close your mouth. I have some capable associates who work out of Bayfield, Ontario who may come over there and discuss the situation with you. You need to be held accountable for your slanders. There are methods and procedures in place to deal with this kind of thing. >> About the same time that he contacted me, I was thinking about setting up >> a "backstop" root network because I realized that the INS only had one >> real >> root running, that is public-root.com (see Joe, I remembered the dash >> this >> time). > The monstrosity known to the ins community as the Public Dash Root has > absolutely nothing to do with reality. It is not a recognized ins > root. It also fails some simple tests - like RFC 2826. So here you are > misleading the public by claiming the public-root.com is an ins root. > All roots fail RFCs to some extent or the other, including the ICANN roots. And who are you to dictate to others what something should be like. See Joe, thats your problem, you look down your nose at people and pretend to be some sort of expert. You engage in widespread slander against people who don't follow you around, worshipping you like a god. You are nothing but a bully who demands that everyone follow your vision of the universe or else you engage in widespread personal attacks against them. You go after me with a passion because you know that I see right through your nonsense and can counter every silly argument you make and will gladly point out to the whole world just what kind of fraud you are. I agreed to run G-Root for public-root back years ago and I wont shut it off becuase people are using it. Again, I believe in producing results and doing the responsible thing. You talk. I act and produce value and results. All of it on a volunteer basis. Go figure.... > The ins root is in fact a limited liability for profit company .. bla bla bla, irrelevant bla bla bla > So John please don't speak on behalf of the ins community nor make any > claims of what ins root is inclusive. Only the TLDA can do that. > I don't speak on behalf of anyone but myself, but I'd like you to show me what law or vote made the TLDA the INS voice. Answer: No one. The TLDA is a nothing more than a coffee clutch, a social club with the same old gang that was there years ago. They produced nothing and I see no evidence that they will do so in the future. They can't even speak for themselves let alone for anyone else. Being the eternal optimist (sometimes), I still believe in giving people second chances to produce results. I hope they actually accomplish some real work and not just spend all of their time on organizational matters. >> I've also set up worldroot.net and have populated it with the latest >> zone file >> from public-root. This root is intended as a backstop in case something >> happens to the public-root itself. I don't intent on editing the zone >> file >> unless there are name server errors. If anyone sees errors, please let me >> know by using the webform at worldroot.net. > Then you must be very busy editing away. The zone file you are using at > worldroot.net in fact is full of name server errors. Even the IANA > group of TLDs have name server errors. Like I said that zone is not RFC > compliant even with IANA. Fix your zones. > Nope. If you have any information about nameserver errors, use the webform at worldroot.net or else shut up. You criticize very well, but I don't see any useful work out of you. If you spent the time it took to write the slander piece to which I am now responding and instead used it to submit name server errors to the webform, worldroot would be that much better, but in your usual manner, you would rather spend your time engaging in personal attacks than making the community better. I submit this evidence to the "community" for its consideration. >> If and when the TLDA gets the Taproot done, I'll be glad to substitute >> that >> for the current zone file. I have no interest in spending time ruling >> on the >> validity of TLDs within the root zone. > You should spend some time getting your buddy Herman Xennt to do the > preliminary work for you. Many of the TLDs you carry in your zone file > from INAIC are bogus records. Since Xennt is responsible for most of > these intentional errors then maybe you can get him to provide you with > a fixed zone file. It is not a good idea to carry zone information in a > root that is wrong. >> Herman is not my buddy. Either prove your statement or close your mouth before proper procedures close it for you. >> Regarding Joe's comments about Tom and I: > skipping ... I've already said all I can say on John (Tom) Baxter. If > Mr. Baxter is a real person - have him contact Peters. Very important > now for your credibility. > >> My Relationship with Herman Xennt: >> >> I agreed to host a root server in the public-root several years ago, >> before Joe's >> destructive path across Europe. > Yes, where angels go trouble follows. I was not going to be responsible > for launching a criminal organization. I gave them some time to reform > themselves, then I went public. Best thing I did for the inclusive name > space was give those crooks in the Netherlands and Turkey a good well > deserved kick in the ass. As long as I am associated with the inclusive > name space and public root the crooks will never get an upper hand on my > watch. But they will be cleansed. >> >> I have not received any monies from Herman, INIAC or any other groups >> associated >> with them. I have paid them nothing. I have no formal agreement with >> them. >> >> I have never met Herman nor anyone else associated with Public-root, >> INAIC or any >> affiliated organizations. >> >> I have never spoken to Herman on the phone nor anyone else associated >> with Public-root, >> INAIC or any other affiliated organization. >> In the interest of accuracy, let me correct this statement. There was one or two phone calls between myself an a one Jody Newman who was doing some work for Public-Root/INAIC back before the big blow-up. We talked about holding fire on publicity for Public-Root/INAIC. I had mentioned the PR/INAIC effort on this list (I think it was this list) and he cautioned me to watch the publicity since things weren't ready for launch at the time. >> I have received 6 email's from Herman Xennt since 2005, mostly >> regarding operational >> issues regarding the public-root, since I do run the G root on that >> network. >> >> Bottom line: I have no relationship, financial or otherwise with >> Xennt, INAIC or other >> affiliated organizations other that that I run the G root. > John it pleases me to no end that you are doing the right thing. > Putting some distance between yourself and Herman Xennt the > Public-Dash-Root con man. I approve of your public mutterings and > distancing, but I simply don't believe what you have to say concerning > your association with Herman Xennt. However my belief in you - or lack > thereof - is of no relevance here. > Again, your sanctimonious and insulting attitude shows through again, using slander like "mutterings". I don't mutter, I speak clearly. Your opinion about my relationship with Xennt is just that, opinion, it carries no weight other than in your own mind. > What is relevant is the fact that you provide him with root service and > as such support the operations of a con man. And you have been warned > by a lot of people and are either to disconnected from reality to > realize you have fallen in with a sorted crowd or your in on it. > No Joe, I provide hundreds of thousands of users with root service, all of the people that you harmed in 2005 who are still using G-root. I have a responsibility to them, not to Xennt. Unlike you, I provide real services, not just talk. Very unlike you with your "Baptista Vortex" that tossed thousands of people offline several years back. Again, you are words, I am action. > Maybe you don't see the mathematics behind this equation? Let me > explain. It all comes down to simple credibility. When I went public > with the fraud and money laundering the net result was that a lot of > people associated with the project, as you are associated as a root > operator, jumped off the Herman Xennt sinking ship. You however stayed > and in doing so defended his actions and made a very public statement to > the community that you support fraud. > See above, I support the down-trodden users that your dumped off. I also find it very interesting that when responding to my message, you deleted the most concrete example of someone that you harmed. I reproduce it here since it bears repeating: >>> People like Leah Gallegos whose business product (.BIZ) was stolen from >>> her by ICANN >>> and now has to take another blow when her other TLD properties were >>> rendered effectivly >>> worthless by Joe's actions in Europe in 2005. Again, selective quoting of messages is dishonest Joe, but that is your modus operandi. > Lets look at the facts. Herman Xennt is a known criminal to the Dutch > police. I verified that with the Goes Police. He has a police record > and was found guilty of criminal charges of tax evasion by the Dutch > Public Prosecutor. This is all public record. What is not public > record is that the Goes Police have a pretty thick file on him. He is a > small time scam artist and since his scams are complex the police > generally don't have the resources to investigate. But the complaints > keep staking up. > I hear all sorts of things, including that you stole a bicycle from someone in Holland and are under investigation by the Dutch Police for drug offenses as well. Now, to be fair, those may just be rumors, but the same thing goes for your accusations. May be true, may be false. > Also on the public record is that Herman was charged in 2005 ?? with > operating an ecstasy drug lab. He is currently under investigation by > the Public Prosecutor for tax evasion along with his former associates > at UnifiedRoot. As an insider to the INAIC Foundation and the > Public-Dash-Root I can confirm there is about $20,000 to $30,000 euro in > tax evasion. But he's too small a fish for them to go after in haste. > They have however gone after his associates Rene Rijntjes and Rob van de > Voort of the TMF Group in Amsterdam, > investors in the UnifiedRoot. > > http://www.publicroot.org/news-2007-04-18-TMF.html > Again, may be true, may not be. Its really irrelevant to this discussion. If Herman is a criminal, why isn't he under arrest and in jail? Inquiring minds want to know.... > Remember John. As an insider to HEX (i.e. INAIC, the Public-Dash-Root & > UnifiedRoot) I uncovered serious financial irregularities when I began > my audit function in Europe. When the parties to HEX failed to resolve > the fraud and money laundering issues I did my duty and reported the > same to the INAIC Council. You may remember they all resigned shortly > thereafter :) > > http://www.publicroot.org/news-2005-09-30-resignations.html > > However - you John remained by Herman Xennt side. True and loyal. > Normal people who are concerned for their reputations will abandon ship > when they realize the ship is sinking. You however choose to stay by > Herman Xennts side. This was a mistake and I think it seriously hampers > your credibility.. > I am loyal to the users of G-root and no one else. I provide infrastructure in a responsible manner and don't shut off a service without much advance notice. The only time that I ever stopped providing root or resolver service was with Aslan when it was used by people to launch DOS attacks against other name servers and that the traffic was 95% of that type of traffic. I don't intend on shutting off G any time soon. Again, responsible provision of services vs your all-talk-and-slander and no-value-delivered. > >> You need to be careful about what information Joe gives you. You have >> to understand >> that Joe destroyed the best (and probably last) good chance that the >> Inclusive TLD >> industry had when we he went off the deep end in 2005 regarding some >> perceived >> wrong-doings that had taken place with public-root.com (Sorry Joe, we >> all make type-o's, >> thats not a capital offense). > > Of course I destroyed it. Along with: >>> People like Leah Gallegos whose business product (.BIZ) was stolen from >>> her by ICANN >>> and now has to take another blow when her other TLD properties were >>> rendered effectivly >>> worthless by Joe's actions in Europe in 2005. > But I completely disagree that it was the > last chance for the inclusive TLD industry. Hell no. You John Baxter > have been in exile for far too long. You have no idea what is happening > in the industry. There are possibly two commercial roots that will be > inclusive name space compliant coming online. We will see. > Again, give us details. You demand that Tom Baxter prove his existence, I demand that you prove the existence of these roots. If they do indeed exist, good for the INS! More real services online vs empty talk. > But seriously John. You would have me hand over control of critical ins > resources to a pack of clowns. You have no control over INS resources. Again, you claim much, much more importance than you actually are. Again, more of your attempt to create an aura of authority around yourself that you DO NOT have. > Remember John I was an insider and based > on my audits. Again, using words like "audits" makes it sound like you are an official or something. You aren't a CPA. You can't audit anything. You stuck your nose in someone else's business, thats all. > I have no problems with stating publicly that the > organizations you provide root service too are involved in tax evasion, > both in Britain and the Netherlands, money laundering, and embezzlement > (80,000 USD). Court cases, conviction dates, please? Now, it may all be true, but you need to prove these claims. >That is what I can ascertain based on an insiders > examination of INAICs finances. Thats on the books. Off book were > looking at possible associations with drugs and prostitution. Again, more slinging around of loaded words. Prove this connection with drugs and prostitution. > These are > the people you are associating with when you provide root service to > Herman Xennt. But thats only my opinion because in the end thats your > business, and your problem. I don't provide root service to Xennt, I provide root service to internet users. > > But John, seriously, are these the type of people that you would expect > me to associate with? Are these the quality of people you would have > operate a trusted inclusive name space? John, my ethics and morals rule > set says no. > No, I would expect that they wouldn't want anything to do with you and that list of people who see through you is growing. >> Joe managed to single-handedly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory >> and in the end >> cost many TLD operators, some of whom (like myself) have been >> investing in our >> registry businesses for 10 years, hundreds of thousands of dollars and >> dashing the hopes >> of others who are trying to make ends meet. > Lets take out the small violin and play john a sad viola score for his > repertoire of complaints. > No, how about you answering for the damage you have done. > John - like you I have suffered financially because of INAIC. No Joe, I and others (Leah, etc) have suffered because of YOU and no one else. >But as an > INAIC insider and the Public Root Representative I had a choice to > make. I could of stayed silent on the fraud, and made some money off > the fraud, and participated in the cover up - like you. But I'm not > like you. I did the right thing - I gave them a limited amount of time > to repay into the company the monies which were stolen (embezzled), plus > other directives. I advised the council members of my findings and got > their support. When I realized INAIC was going to continue in paralysis > and not follow my directives I blew the whistle, the council resigned > and the community abandoned the project. > > You might say John that where angels go trouble follows because angels > have very high standards. When I agreed to take on my duties at INAIC, > the one thing I did not agree to was the creation of an ICANN clone for > criminals. One needs to draw a line when it comes to ethics. I'm on > one side of the line - your on the other, it seems. It's all perception. > There are ways to handle things that do not cause widespread destruction to innocent people. Thats something that you cannot get through your head. You go in like a bull in a China shop with a claim of authority that no one gave you and you leave nothing but destruction in its place. Yah, maybe someone swiped some money from the INAIC coffers, but your method for handling this caused sever collateral damage and you refuse to see this. Instead of contacting the authorities to handle this and having the tact to see the bigger picture, you go on this crusade and to hell with all of the innocent parties that you hurt. You refuse to see this and indeed continue to brag about it as well. >> In early 2007, Joe decided to attempt to mis-use the TLDA name for his >> own twisted purposes. >> The TLDA had been dormant for several years and I was stuck with >> maintianing the infrastructure >> (paying for the domains, hosting the nearly-empty e-mail lists), etc. >> I was the last elected >> Board Chairperson, and so I moved to protect the TLDA reputation from >> Joe's taint. >> >> Anyways, a big fight ensued and I finally gave up anything to to with >> the organization last >> October. I still maintain the domains (TLDA.NET, TLDA.ORG) and will >> hand them over >> to a worthty successor (rule 1: They must denounce Joe Baptista and >> ban him forever >> from the organization or else they don't get the domains). > Thats never going to happen. The TLDA is not a dictatorial organization > nor are you its dictator. Thats why you left the TLDA because no one > was paying attention any more to your dictatorial directives. > I left because I saw no possible value coming from further efforts. My six years there were a futile study in herding cats. In the end, what it boiled down to was that we have 4 or 5 people and even those people were impossible to get together for a simple online meeting. Fact is, people will only work passionatly for something that they think will have success. I worked that way for many years, deluding myself into thinking that we had a chance, finally coming to the realization that no one really believed that we would have any kind of success. While I hope the TLDA succeeds in the future, I see the same group of people taking the same path. That will not produce anything. I hope I'm proved wrong and that they are very successful, but I'm not holding my breath. > Also you are misleading us when you claim that you are maintaining the > TLDAs domains. This is completely untrue. It is correct to say that > you have hijacked the TLDAs domains. The board has demanded that you > hand them over and you have refused to comply. This again is a matter > of public record at the TLDA. > > Do you see why people at the TLDA no longer consider you credible. > > Now what you can expect from the TLDA for hijacking their domains is a > demand letter from their lawyer someday ordering you to hand over their > property. Thank you for showing us your true colors John. They don't have a lawyer. They would need a bank account from which to pay that lawyer first and then have the money to pay him. I was entrusted with the domains and will do the responsible thing and not hand them over to an organization that does not have the moxie to succeed. They need to prove that they are producing value before they transfer will be allowed. As it is now, TLDA.ORG points to their website and I told Karl that I would point them wherever he wants, but no registration transfer until they prove themselves. >> >> The TLDA re-organized in January 2007 under Georgia law and just >> recently had their >> first election of officers under the new charter. I am NOT a member >> now, and have nothing >> to do with the TLDA. Its best if I stay away and let others carry the >> burden for awhile - >> I served 6 years, its time for others to step up now. > This is a lot of misinformation and little white lies. The TLDA > reorganized because I got it back together again to resolve the screw > ups committed by your friends at INAIC. I asked you on a number of > occasions in 2006 the you in your capacity as the secretary and chair of > the TLDA call a meeting of the membership so we could resolve the mess > your pal Herman (the Vermin) Xennt created over in Europe. I remind you > that on every occasion I asked you refused to do your duty and call a > TLDA assembly. Again, who the hell gave you the right to call them together and dictate their duty? More nonsense. You have no authority to do any such thing. More sanctimonious trash! > It was finally I who contacted all the directors in 2007 > allowing for the corporations continuance under Georgia law. > > I further remind you that under your administration as chairman of the > TLDA that you lost its charter because you failed to file the paperwork > necessary to maintain it. Your six years with the TLDA amount to no > work done and alot of incompetence. > > And when the board of directors asked you to hand over the books and > domains of the corporation you held as a former executive you refused. > Because of your behavior we at the TLDA will never trust you again. So > when you say you have decided to have nothing to do with the TLDA - I'm > not surprised. I'm sure some in the TLDA are relieved to have nothing > to do with you too. Personally I'm neutral on the subject. I have no > problem with you being a member of the TLDA. We don't currently have > any ethics rules so I'm sure you'll qualify. But I also have no problem > with your self imposed exile from the TLDA. > There are no "books". The TLDA never had any money or bank account. As for the list of members, this was published on the mailing lists several times with the exclusion of private contact information, the public release of which could be and actionable violation of privacy. This info was turned over to the other member of the Membership committee, Karl Peters. YOU are mad that I didn't release them to YOU because you wanted the contact information to harass and brow-beat them into submitting to your will. I, knowing your MO, was not about to be so irresponsible as to allow that. You were not entitled to that information. > But sir please don't aggrandize yourself here, your so called six years > of service for the TLDA ended up being nothing more then betrayal and an > attempt to hijack an organization to cover up on behalf of your pal > Herman Xennt. I don't see your six years under the circumstances as > anything of substance. > Nothing came of it because we have a 3 or 4 person parade with me constantly trying to get others to step up. What a pathetic group it was. I stuck with it far longer than I should have, but I felt that I should try all that I could to motivate people, but they would not be motivated. > And in closing you mention that now it's time for others to step up and > take over. Thats already happened John. > And I hope they make something of the opportunity. >> Tom, Karl Peters has been a great advocate for the INS and if anyone >> can kick-start the TLDA >> he can. He is not a bad guy like Joe is. I only wish that he would see >> Joe for the destructive >> person he is and denounce him and dissassoiate himself from Joe. > Thats not going to happen. Karl Peters has been slowly investigating > your pal Herman the Vermin Xennt has been up to in Europe. Herman is not my pal. > Karl has > taken seriously my concerns and I am very happy with his progress and > the solutions he has facilitated. In other words Herman the Vermin's > victims are working together and coming out winners because of Karl. > > And the criminals you support are coming out the losers. In the end the > winners will be those who did the right thing and said no to the > criminals. > I don't support criminals, I support internet users. You talk and slander and deliver only destruction. >> Sorry to be so long winded, but the record needs setting straight as >> it always does after an >> unpleaant bout of Baptistherria. > Lets see who vomits first. Will it be John Baxter or Thom Palmer. > > cheers :) > Joe Baptista > When you hear from the proper authorities in Canada, you may not be smiling for long. From baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Tue Apr 1 20:48:40 2008 From: baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) Date: Tue Apr 1 19:42:50 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Request to Remove In-Reply-To: <02e401c8944a$442f4b20$64904002@TAKA> References: <02e401c8944a$442f4b20$64904002@TAKA> Message-ID: <47F2C9D8.4020206@ucann2.org> I do not know HOW my name was added to the LIST, but I and my organizations, can not and will not be a part of any personnel attacks on anyone from anyone. I do not care who say what, but to make a LIST completely attacking anyone person, is completely ridiculous and benefits no one. Please remove my name from this list. David From baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Tue Apr 1 21:06:44 2008 From: baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) Date: Tue Apr 1 20:00:17 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary In-Reply-To: <026701c8943c$e44058b0$64904002@TAKA> References: <026701c8943c$e44058b0$64904002@TAKA> Message-ID: <1681286781.20080401200644@bridgecompanies.com> David, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! (And WANT nothing to do with any list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine! As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than the TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying to contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience! I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a trade organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list management, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the same organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but is certainly welcome. This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA which exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and improve things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major victories very soon, from multiple fronts. -Karl E. Peters P.S. Please remove me from this list... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/baptista-offenses/attachments/20080401/35246bf3/attachment.html From baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Tue Apr 1 20:39:17 2008 From: baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) Date: Tue Apr 1 20:33:24 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Request to Remove References: <02e401c8944a$442f4b20$64904002@TAKA> <47F2C9D8.4020206@ucann2.org> Message-ID: <034601c8945a$0311e110$64904002@TAKA> The purpose of this list is not to attack anyone, but to point out falsehoods uttered by that person - falsehoods that have destroyed the livleyhood and reputation of many people. There needs to be some place that exposes those lies. The ga is not the place - thats not the topic of that list and the moderator is correct in putting a stop to it. But, there must be a place, seeing how much damage JB has done and is likely to do in the future. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Request to Remove > > I do not know HOW my name was added to the LIST, but I and my > organizations, can not and will not be a part of any personnel attacks > on anyone from anyone. > > I do not care who say what, but to make a LIST completely attacking > anyone person, is completely ridiculous and benefits no one. > > Please remove my name from this list. > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Baptista-Offenses mailing list > Baptista-Offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET > http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses > From baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Tue Apr 1 22:35:04 2008 From: baptista-offenses at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) Date: Wed Apr 2 00:29:05 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Message-ID: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> var YAHOO = {'Shortcuts' : {}}; YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = true; YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = ["sensitive_news_terms"]; YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false; YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "Re: [Baptista-offenses] I\x5c\x27m sorry, but this list is neccessary"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "baxtertms@yahoo.com"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = { "lw_1207110619_0": { "text": "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET", "extended": 0, "startchar": 1050, "endchar": 1084, "start": 1050, "end": 1084, "extendedFrom": "", "predictedCategory": "", "predictionProbability": "0", "weight": 1, "type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/identifier/email_address"], "category": ["IDENTIFIER"], "context": "from you for his kind words!!! 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You claim to want to bring all together but you side with that jackass and his provications. I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of his nonsence. You would do best to listen an learn about all the evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to run away from something that you may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl??? Hmmm????? And all of this after john praizes you and asks me not to judge you in the same stall as joe the loud mouth. Fine bit of thanks he gets from you for his kind words!!! Thoms ----- Original Message ---- From: "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET" To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary David, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! (And WANT nothing to do with any list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine! As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than the TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying to contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience! I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a trade organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list management, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the same organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but is certainly welcome. This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA which exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and improve things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major victories very soon, from multiple fronts. -Karl E. Peters P.S. Please remove me from this list... ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/baptista-offenses/attachments/20080402/4156f55f/attachment-0001.html From chris at seo.pn Wed Apr 2 05:47:52 2008 From: chris at seo.pn (chris@seo.pn) Date: Wed Apr 2 04:41:42 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary References: <026701c8943c$e44058b0$64904002@TAKA> Message-ID: <005a01c8949e$3e7667f0$0301a8c0@namecritic> I would appreciate it if you do not subscribe me to any lists in the future. You do not have my permission to just opt me in to any garbage emails you wish to send out. Chris McElroy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary > After the latest bout of non-sense from Joe Baptista and some of the > responses to his ravings, it is clear that people are not aware of the > damage > that Joe Baptista has been engaged in on the internet. > > Such a destructive force requires a watchdog organization to keep track > of the truth so that unsuspecting people are not taken in nor intimidated > by > such a person. > > We have such organizations to watch over hate groups, for instance, the > Southern > Poverty Law Center monitors white supremicist, nazi and other hate groups > in the United States and the Simon Wiezenthal center still hunts for nazi > war > criminals, so its not without precedent that destructive groups or > individuals have > those who watch their moves and words to quickly respond with the truth > > This list will be a group of first responders who will quickly respond to > his > damaging behaviour with facts. > > I'm sorry that this list is neccessary, but sometimes you have to fight > for > whats right and defend reality.John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. > > All are allowed to join this list and post. Be civil and above all POST > ALL > EVIDENCE that you have. Don't make up stories - that hurts the credibility > of the rest of the facts presented here. Use links copiously. Remeber, > people > will be reading this stuff in the archives for decades to come. > > Joe can certainly respond here as well, but his posts are moderated > because > he will no doubt attempt to disrupt the judicial-like proceedings here. If > he > behaves, he can post. No personal attacks like those on the ga list will > be > allowed. > > Oh, and if anyone has enough real material to post that it takes more than > five > posts per day, please by all means, post more than five times. > > John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. > ###################################### > Join the Baptista Truth Watch at > http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/Baptista-Offenses > ###################################### > > _______________________________________________ > Baptista-Offenses mailing list > Baptista-Offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET > http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses > From scottd at ucann2.org Wed Apr 2 07:29:37 2008 From: scottd at ucann2.org (David Scott) Date: Wed Apr 2 06:23:35 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary In-Reply-To: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47F36011.6050809@ucann2.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/baptista-offenses/attachments/20080402/0793f423/attachment.html From chris at seo.pn Wed Apr 2 08:02:55 2008 From: chris at seo.pn (chris@seo.pn) Date: Wed Apr 2 06:57:03 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary References: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47F36011.6050809@ucann2.org> Message-ID: <0af301c894b1$1bdf7250$0301a8c0@namecritic> I second everything David just said. I have also asked to be removed. You are spamming me with these emails. Adding people to your list without their permission only goes to prove the points made by the people who question your character. REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST. UNSUBSCRIBE ME. Chris McElroy ----- Original Message ----- From: David Scott To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Mr. Baxter and Mr. Palmer. To create a list only for the purpose of trying to discredit anyone person, and only one person is completely useless and pointless. The only outrage is that someone would actually think that they can benefit from the creation of such a list. I have requested to be removed. And yet, I'm still getting these emails. Remove my email from this list, I did not sign up for this, nor did I give my permission to be on this list. The use of my email on this list is on th verge of sending me spam that can come through my filters. baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET wrote: I see you yelling at john in a public space, but where was your public outrage at the slanders spit out by joe batista on the galist? You claim to want to bring all together but you side with that jackass and his provications. I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of his nonsence. You would do best to listen an learn about all the evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to run away from something that you may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl??? Hmmm????? And all of this after john praizes you and asks me not to judge you in the same stall as joe the loud mouth. Fine bit of thanks he gets from you for his kind words!!! Thoms ----- Original Message ---- From: "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET" To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary David, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! (And WANT nothing to do with any list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine! As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than the TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying to contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience! I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a trade organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list management, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the same organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but is certainly welcome. This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA which exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and improve things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major victories very soon, from multiple fronts. -Karl E. Peters P.S. Please remove me from this list... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Baptista-Offenses mailing list Baptista-Offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Baptista-Offenses mailing list Baptista-Offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/baptista-offenses/attachments/20080402/e451c8b5/attachment-0001.html From jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 05:59:24 2008 From: jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com (Jeffrey A. Williams) Date: Wed Apr 2 07:53:24 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Message-ID: <372437.1207137564605.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Chris and all, I second Chris on this. This is total nonsense. Please unsubscribe me from this errant Defamination mailing list immediately! I shall be blocking the domain for this list which I did not subscribe to shortly. I have also blocked ucann2.org. Let me make one thing very clear to anyone that has been getting this nonsense. I have known Dr. Joe Baptista for a number of years and I know him as an honest and extremely competant and ethical person! -----Original Message----- >From: chris@seo.pn >Sent: Apr 2, 2008 1:47 AM >To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET >Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary > >I would appreciate it if you do not subscribe me to any lists in the future. >You do not have my permission to just opt me in to any garbage emails you >wish to send out. > >Chris McElroy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:11 PM >Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary > > >> After the latest bout of non-sense from Joe Baptista and some of the >> responses to his ravings, it is clear that people are not aware of the >> damage >> that Joe Baptista has been engaged in on the internet. >> >> Such a destructive force requires a watchdog organization to keep track >> of the truth so that unsuspecting people are not taken in nor intimidated >> by >> such a person. >> >> We have such organizations to watch over hate groups, for instance, the >> Southern >> Poverty Law Center monitors white supremicist, nazi and other hate groups >> in the United States and the Simon Wiezenthal center still hunts for nazi >> war >> criminals, so its not without precedent that destructive groups or >> individuals have >> those who watch their moves and words to quickly respond with the truth >> >> This list will be a group of first responders who will quickly respond to >> his >> damaging behaviour with facts. >> >> I'm sorry that this list is neccessary, but sometimes you have to fight >> for >> whats right and defend reality.John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. >> >> All are allowed to join this list and post. Be civil and above all POST >> ALL >> EVIDENCE that you have. Don't make up stories - that hurts the credibility >> of the rest of the facts presented here. Use links copiously. Remeber, >> people >> will be reading this stuff in the archives for decades to come. >> >> Joe can certainly respond here as well, but his posts are moderated >> because >> he will no doubt attempt to disrupt the judicial-like proceedings here. If >> he >> behaves, he can post. No personal attacks like those on the ga list will >> be >> allowed. >> >> Oh, and if anyone has enough real material to post that it takes more than >> five >> posts per day, please by all means, post more than five times. >> Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) 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ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 From info at public-root.com Wed Apr 2 11:49:21 2008 From: info at public-root.com (Public-Root) Date: Wed Apr 2 10:17:09 2008 Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary References: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47F34891.000007.03280@CENTRALCOMMAND> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 18386 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/baptista-offenses/attachments/20080402/36ea4080/attachment-0001.jpe