From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Tue Apr 01 17:04:58 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jgnf8-00010V-9x for Baptista-Offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:04:58 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207084239-2cd100050000-TqXTse X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 476911439 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id 2jYrBTSDuTCGGBL8 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Jgnm7-0004Bn-Cn for Baptista-Offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:12:11 -0500 Message-ID: <026701c8943c$e44058b0$64904002@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:11:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207084240 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.4999 1.0000 0.0000 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=5.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.1, rules version 3.1.46560 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Cc: From: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:04:58 -0000 After the latest bout of non-sense from Joe Baptista and some of the responses to his ravings, it is clear that people are not aware of the damage that Joe Baptista has been engaged in on the internet. Such a destructive force requires a watchdog organization to keep track of the truth so that unsuspecting people are not taken in nor intimidated by such a person. We have such organizations to watch over hate groups, for instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center monitors white supremicist, nazi and other hate groups in the United States and the Simon Wiezenthal center still hunts for nazi war criminals, so its not without precedent that destructive groups or individuals have those who watch their moves and words to quickly respond with the truth This list will be a group of first responders who will quickly respond to his damaging behaviour with facts. I'm sorry that this list is neccessary, but sometimes you have to fight for whats right and defend reality.John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. All are allowed to join this list and post. Be civil and above all POST ALL EVIDENCE that you have. Don't make up stories - that hurts the credibility of the rest of the facts presented here. Use links copiously. Remeber, people will be reading this stuff in the archives for decades to come. Joe can certainly respond here as well, but his posts are moderated because he will no doubt attempt to disrupt the judicial-like proceedings here. If he behaves, he can post. No personal attacks like those on the ga list will be allowed. Oh, and if anyone has enough real material to post that it takes more than five posts per day, please by all means, post more than five times. 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That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --0-581953117-1207086105=:15629-- From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Tue Apr 01 18:37:56 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jgp76-0003gq-7h for baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:37:56 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207089820-784700030000-jBn1bC X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 75F5013CC for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id U4wA2tTf8bdFLodB for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:43:40 -0400 (EDT) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1JgpE8-0004LL-Im for baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:45:12 -0500 Message-ID: <02d701c89449$e2c71340$64904002@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Exhibit 2008-04-0001: GA slander in response to my innocent post about the INS Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:44:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207089821 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: From: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Exhibit 2008-04-0001: GA slander in response to my innocent post about the INS X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:37:56 -0000 This is a message that I posted in response to slanders JB posted to the GA List. In this humerous post, JB has decided that I and Tom Baxter are one and the same person. ------------------------- Let me address this Thomas Baxter issue: Tom came to me several months ago and asked if I knew anything about the TLDA and if I could help him get his TLD into the root networks. I told him all that I knew about the TLDA and its good and bad (mostly due to Joe Baptista) points. About the same time that he contacted me, I was thinking about setting up a "backstop" root network because I realized that the INS only had one real root running, that is public-root.com (see Joe, I remembered the dash this time). I agreed to host his TLDs for the time being, so that he would qualify for membership in the TLDA, but that he would have to sign a registry agreement with AWI and become and INRS registry if he wanted to populate his TLD with more than just the bare-bones SOA and NS records. Since then, he has decided not to join the TLDA, but I will still host his TLDs for the time being. I've also set up worldroot.net and have populated it with the latest zone file from public-root. This root is intended as a backstop in case something happens to the public-root itself. I don't intent on editing the zone file unless there are name server errors. If anyone sees errors, please let me know by using the webform at worldroot.net. This root is not compliant with the RFC's regarding root operations. Compliance costs too much money and I've already spent all that I'm going to out of my pocket over the last 10 years in this endeavour. If someone wants it to be compliant, poney up the cash to host it in secure data centers and do all of the other things required by the RFCs. Till then, it is what it is. If and when the TLDA gets the Taproot done, I'll be glad to substitute that for the current zone file. I have no interest in spending time ruling on the validity of TLDs within the root zone. Regarding Joe's comments about Tom and I: Apparently, Joe decided that we must be one in the same person. We are not. I have visted Tom when I was in his area (Allentown) on client business. He runs a little computer repair shop out of the living room of his row house on Tilghman St. to make ends meet.. He volunteers at the local school (Trexler Middle School on 15th St), teaching computer skills to kids and adults alike. He is kind of hard to understand sometimes with his thick Slavic accent (he grew up in the Czeck Republic) but he is a good person, volunteering in a community that needs alot of help (Allentown's economy has been depressed for years after the steel mills closed). He is very much real - sorry Joe, your paranoia is relegated to the tin-foil hat zone. (as is much of everything else you say). My Relationship with Herman Xennt: I agreed to host a root server in the public-root several years ago, before Joe's destructive path across Europe. I have not received any monies from Herman, INIAC or any other groups associated with them. I have paid them nothing. I have no formal agreement with them. I have never met Herman nor anyone else associated with Public-root, INAIC or any affiliated organizations. I have never spoken to Herman on the phone nor anyone else associated with Public-root, INAIC or any other affiliated organization. I have received 6 email's from Herman Xennt since 2005, mostly regarding operational issues regarding the public-root, since I do run the G root on that network. Bottom line: I have no relationship, financial or otherwise with Xennt, INAIC or other affiliated organizations other that that I run the G root. Get over it, Joe. Now on to Joe's "Expertise": You need to be careful about what information Joe gives you. You have to understand that Joe destroyed the best (and probably last) good chance that the Inclusive TLD industry had when we he went off the deep end in 2005 regarding some perceived wrong-doings that had taken place with public-root.com (Sorry Joe, we all make type-o's, thats not a capital offense). Joe managed to single-handedly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and in the end cost many TLD operators, some of whom (like myself) have been investing in our registry businesses for 10 years, hundreds of thousands of dollars and dashing the hopes of others who are trying to make ends meet. People like Leah Gallegos whose business product (.BIZ) was stolen from her by ICANN and now has to take another blow when her other TLD properties were rendered effectivly worthless by Joe's actions in Europe in 2005. In early 2007, Joe decided to attempt to mis-use the TLDA name for his own twisted purposes. The TLDA had been dormant for several years and I was stuck with maintianing the infrastructure (paying for the domains, hosting the nearly-empty e-mail lists), etc. I was the last elected Board Chairperson, and so I moved to protect the TLDA reputation from Joe's taint. Anyways, a big fight ensued and I finally gave up anything to to with the organization last October. I still maintain the domains (TLDA.NET, TLDA.ORG) and will hand them over to a worthty successor (rule 1: They must denounce Joe Baptista and ban him forever from the organization or else they don't get the domains). The TLDA re-organized in January 2007 under Georgia law and just recently had their first election of officers under the new charter. I am NOT a member now, and have nothing to do with the TLDA. Its best if I stay away and let others carry the burden for awhile - I served 6 years, its time for others to step up now. Now as to Tom's comment about Karl: Tom, Karl Peters has been a great advocate for the INS and if anyone can kick-start the TLDA he can. He is not a bad guy like Joe is. I only wish that he would see Joe for the destructive person he is and denounce him and dissassoiate himself from Joe. Sorry to be so long winded, but the record needs setting straight as it always does after an unpleaant bout of Baptistherria. ----- Original Message ----- From: chris@seo.pn To: Thomas Baxter ; ga@gnso.icann.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is. I have to tell you Thomas that when I wanted to learn more about what were then called by many, alt roots, Joe spent time to explain everything to me as did many others. So as far as whether Joe is helpful or not, I would say very helpful. He is straight to the point and doesn't have patience for people who are not being real about it though. Maybe that was the problem? Chris McElroy, NameCritic, Inc. http://www.seoserviceprovider.com/seoblog ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Baxter To: ga@gnso.icann.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is. Before, I thought you had good ideas for the I.N.S, mr Baptista, but I see now that you are part of the problem. Doing personal attacks like below solves no problems and all it does is give people a bad taste in their moths for the I.N.S. Sad, you and Karl at the TLDA both playing the same game with calling me palmer and calling palmer Baxter. My opinion is that the TLDA is corrupt and not worth mentioning. The industry is rudderless, crooked TLDA and monpoly icann is all we have. Of all the people I have met in the I.N.S, only Palmer helped me with my TLD name servers. Too bad there is only one of him (in spite of joes contentions) - we need more people to be helpful like that instead of people calling others names and always fighting. Thoms ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Baptista To: John Palmer Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:02:03 AM Subject: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is. John Baxter (or is that Palmer) - your new found nerviness concerns me. I appreciate your support for the inclusive name space. However the fact that you have been actively involved with an organization that has misrepresented the inclusive name space, bothers me. An organization that is run by one Herman Xennt, an associate of yours, who is currently under investigation by the very people you praise. This concerns me. One of the nice things about the inclusive name space is that unlike ICANN it is community based. And any fraud such as the type you have been associated with is quickly dealt with. So maybe this new found support of yours has something to do with repentance? On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:01 PM, John Palmer wrote: Yes, the ugly saga of ICANN. You know, the Inclusive Namespace is out there still, with roots Incorrect. There is an inclusive name space zone file published at least once per week. However there is no official inclusive name space root or roots. There are roots that claim to be inclusive name space compliant, but they all more or less fail testing. such as publicroot.com and worldroot.net and organizations like TLDA (just restarted, I hear) Lets hope this is not the beginning of another Baxter fraud. As far as I know there is no root at publicroot.com. I think you meant public-root.com where you are the G root operator. http://public-root.com/g-root.htm This root which is properly known as INAIC - www inaic.com - is under investigation by the TLDA, and the Dutch Public Prosecutors office, if not others. I don't think this is a good root for you to recommend to recommend and claim in any way they are an inclusive name space root. At this time the TLDA has not ruled on them nor certified those roots. I will be opposed to certification because there are serious ethics issues with the people you provide root service too. Lets consider this recommendation of Mr. Palmers a conflict of interest. Now worldroot.net is an run by the same Mr. Palmer who is recommending it. The worldroot.net I suspect is either a project just of Mr. Palmer's. Its a private root of Mr. Palmer's. I am concerned it is an attempt to brand a new root for his friend Herman Xennt to continue defrauding people. I'm going to assume Mr. Palmer is genuine about the worldroot.net. But let us not forget John that you created a TLD in the worldroot recently called .BAX which is associated with a bogus administrator. Recently we uncovered that you Mr. John Palmer were Mr. Thom Baxter and you attempted to be a member of the TLDA using a false identity. This was wrong. John was shamed before the community, and appropriately so, for participating in the fraudulent sale of TLDs. Just being associated with the fraudsters in the Netherlands is enough to sink any respect the community had for John. But creating a false identity to gain entry into the TLDA was unethical. And from a technical perspective the worldroot.net root system fails compliance tests. The root John runs is based on the INAIC.com root, which fails inclusive name space compatibility. People - if any of you want to join the inclusive name space the only place to do it is at www.tldainc.org - thats where the community is. Thats where the people power that is the new internet is at. For all the griping about ICANN, I don't see many folks who are complaining about them come over and assist the INS institutions in gaining greater use and viability. You should come out of exile. A lot has change since you were associated with the TLDA. Remember, we are still out here and have always been ready to serve as an alternative to ICANN. Perhaps those who want to see alternatives should come over and help. But be careful who you trust. The inclusive name space is the new wild west of the internet. Be careful of false peddlers of name space. Is that not correct Mr. Baxter. regards joe baptista From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Tue Apr 01 18:40:39 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jgp9j-0000BF-KM for baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:40:39 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207089984-784700070000-jBn1bC X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 2AF1714C8 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id e3c7d1PJ4IrFMyep for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1JgpGm-0004LO-0W for baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:47:56 -0500 Message-ID: <02e401c8944a$442f4b20$64904002@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Exhibit 2008-04-0002: My response to JB's Further Slander on the GA List Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:46:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207089985 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: From: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Exhibit 2008-04-0002: My response to JB's Further Slander on the GA List X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:40:39 -0000 This one contains my response to JB's posting on the GA list which is his response to Exhibit 2008-04-0001 --------------------------------------------------- This is the last time I will respond on this list - I know you all are tired of hearing this, especially since we are all working on AGP issues. Remember, Joe launched his personal attacks as an off-topic response to my messages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Baptista" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is. > > Before I start I want to thank those people who had kind words to say > about me concerning my honesty. Indeed they are correct. Now I shall > reply to Mr. Palmers attempts to mislead us. > > John Palmer wrote: >> Let me address this Thomas Baxter issue: >> >> Tom came to me several months ago and asked if I knew anything about >> the TLDA and if I could help him get his TLD into the root networks. I >> told >> him all that I knew about the TLDA and its good and bad (mostly due to >> Joe Baptista) points. > Look if Baxter is real just have him call Karl Peters at the TLDA. Karl > has wanted to speak with Baxter now for some time and to that end he has > offered to call him by telephone etc. etc. To date Mr. Baxter has been > a bit shy about calling or being called by Peters. > > But I don't think this is going to happen. It is clear from a reading > of Mr. Baxters posts that he is you. At worst we are dealing with a > personality disorder and at best you are simply using the Baxter > personality to commit a fraud of no importance. > > The inclusive name space community is fed up with phony fronts. If Mr. > Baxter wants his TLD to have some degree of credibility, and as his root > operator he now must provide proof so you not lose face again before the > ins community, > > I'm willing to apologize to you and Mr. Baxter if I am indeed wrong. > But Mr. Baxters going to have to do some leg work to make that so. Of > course I'm very sure that you are Baxter and Baxter is you. He knows > much to much insider details - especially as they concern the HEX > project in the Netherlands. And whens hes cornered he swears just like > you. So until I see otherwise I'm willing to assume the "John Palmer" = > "Thom Baxter" is a safe bet. > I can't speak for Tom, but Tom can decide if he wants to call Karl or not. Prove your statement or close your mouth. I have some capable associates who work out of Bayfield, Ontario who may come over there and discuss the situation with you. You need to be held accountable for your slanders. There are methods and procedures in place to deal with this kind of thing. >> About the same time that he contacted me, I was thinking about setting up >> a "backstop" root network because I realized that the INS only had one >> real >> root running, that is public-root.com (see Joe, I remembered the dash >> this >> time). > The monstrosity known to the ins community as the Public Dash Root has > absolutely nothing to do with reality. It is not a recognized ins > root. It also fails some simple tests - like RFC 2826. So here you are > misleading the public by claiming the public-root.com is an ins root. > All roots fail RFCs to some extent or the other, including the ICANN roots. And who are you to dictate to others what something should be like. See Joe, thats your problem, you look down your nose at people and pretend to be some sort of expert. You engage in widespread slander against people who don't follow you around, worshipping you like a god. You are nothing but a bully who demands that everyone follow your vision of the universe or else you engage in widespread personal attacks against them. You go after me with a passion because you know that I see right through your nonsense and can counter every silly argument you make and will gladly point out to the whole world just what kind of fraud you are. I agreed to run G-Root for public-root back years ago and I wont shut it off becuase people are using it. Again, I believe in producing results and doing the responsible thing. You talk. I act and produce value and results. All of it on a volunteer basis. Go figure.... > The ins root is in fact a limited liability for profit company .. bla bla bla, irrelevant bla bla bla > So John please don't speak on behalf of the ins community nor make any > claims of what ins root is inclusive. Only the TLDA can do that. > I don't speak on behalf of anyone but myself, but I'd like you to show me what law or vote made the TLDA the INS voice. Answer: No one. The TLDA is a nothing more than a coffee clutch, a social club with the same old gang that was there years ago. They produced nothing and I see no evidence that they will do so in the future. They can't even speak for themselves let alone for anyone else. Being the eternal optimist (sometimes), I still believe in giving people second chances to produce results. I hope they actually accomplish some real work and not just spend all of their time on organizational matters. >> I've also set up worldroot.net and have populated it with the latest >> zone file >> from public-root. This root is intended as a backstop in case something >> happens to the public-root itself. I don't intent on editing the zone >> file >> unless there are name server errors. If anyone sees errors, please let me >> know by using the webform at worldroot.net. > Then you must be very busy editing away. The zone file you are using at > worldroot.net in fact is full of name server errors. Even the IANA > group of TLDs have name server errors. Like I said that zone is not RFC > compliant even with IANA. Fix your zones. > Nope. If you have any information about nameserver errors, use the webform at worldroot.net or else shut up. You criticize very well, but I don't see any useful work out of you. If you spent the time it took to write the slander piece to which I am now responding and instead used it to submit name server errors to the webform, worldroot would be that much better, but in your usual manner, you would rather spend your time engaging in personal attacks than making the community better. I submit this evidence to the "community" for its consideration. >> If and when the TLDA gets the Taproot done, I'll be glad to substitute >> that >> for the current zone file. I have no interest in spending time ruling >> on the >> validity of TLDs within the root zone. > You should spend some time getting your buddy Herman Xennt to do the > preliminary work for you. Many of the TLDs you carry in your zone file > from INAIC are bogus records. Since Xennt is responsible for most of > these intentional errors then maybe you can get him to provide you with > a fixed zone file. It is not a good idea to carry zone information in a > root that is wrong. >> Herman is not my buddy. Either prove your statement or close your mouth before proper procedures close it for you. >> Regarding Joe's comments about Tom and I: > skipping ... I've already said all I can say on John (Tom) Baxter. If > Mr. Baxter is a real person - have him contact Peters. Very important > now for your credibility. > >> My Relationship with Herman Xennt: >> >> I agreed to host a root server in the public-root several years ago, >> before Joe's >> destructive path across Europe. > Yes, where angels go trouble follows. I was not going to be responsible > for launching a criminal organization. I gave them some time to reform > themselves, then I went public. Best thing I did for the inclusive name > space was give those crooks in the Netherlands and Turkey a good well > deserved kick in the ass. As long as I am associated with the inclusive > name space and public root the crooks will never get an upper hand on my > watch. But they will be cleansed. >> >> I have not received any monies from Herman, INIAC or any other groups >> associated >> with them. I have paid them nothing. I have no formal agreement with >> them. >> >> I have never met Herman nor anyone else associated with Public-root, >> INAIC or any >> affiliated organizations. >> >> I have never spoken to Herman on the phone nor anyone else associated >> with Public-root, >> INAIC or any other affiliated organization. >> In the interest of accuracy, let me correct this statement. There was one or two phone calls between myself an a one Jody Newman who was doing some work for Public-Root/INAIC back before the big blow-up. We talked about holding fire on publicity for Public-Root/INAIC. I had mentioned the PR/INAIC effort on this list (I think it was this list) and he cautioned me to watch the publicity since things weren't ready for launch at the time. >> I have received 6 email's from Herman Xennt since 2005, mostly >> regarding operational >> issues regarding the public-root, since I do run the G root on that >> network. >> >> Bottom line: I have no relationship, financial or otherwise with >> Xennt, INAIC or other >> affiliated organizations other that that I run the G root. > John it pleases me to no end that you are doing the right thing. > Putting some distance between yourself and Herman Xennt the > Public-Dash-Root con man. I approve of your public mutterings and > distancing, but I simply don't believe what you have to say concerning > your association with Herman Xennt. However my belief in you - or lack > thereof - is of no relevance here. > Again, your sanctimonious and insulting attitude shows through again, using slander like "mutterings". I don't mutter, I speak clearly. Your opinion about my relationship with Xennt is just that, opinion, it carries no weight other than in your own mind. > What is relevant is the fact that you provide him with root service and > as such support the operations of a con man. And you have been warned > by a lot of people and are either to disconnected from reality to > realize you have fallen in with a sorted crowd or your in on it. > No Joe, I provide hundreds of thousands of users with root service, all of the people that you harmed in 2005 who are still using G-root. I have a responsibility to them, not to Xennt. Unlike you, I provide real services, not just talk. Very unlike you with your "Baptista Vortex" that tossed thousands of people offline several years back. Again, you are words, I am action. > Maybe you don't see the mathematics behind this equation? Let me > explain. It all comes down to simple credibility. When I went public > with the fraud and money laundering the net result was that a lot of > people associated with the project, as you are associated as a root > operator, jumped off the Herman Xennt sinking ship. You however stayed > and in doing so defended his actions and made a very public statement to > the community that you support fraud. > See above, I support the down-trodden users that your dumped off. I also find it very interesting that when responding to my message, you deleted the most concrete example of someone that you harmed. I reproduce it here since it bears repeating: >>> People like Leah Gallegos whose business product (.BIZ) was stolen from >>> her by ICANN >>> and now has to take another blow when her other TLD properties were >>> rendered effectivly >>> worthless by Joe's actions in Europe in 2005. Again, selective quoting of messages is dishonest Joe, but that is your modus operandi. > Lets look at the facts. Herman Xennt is a known criminal to the Dutch > police. I verified that with the Goes Police. He has a police record > and was found guilty of criminal charges of tax evasion by the Dutch > Public Prosecutor. This is all public record. What is not public > record is that the Goes Police have a pretty thick file on him. He is a > small time scam artist and since his scams are complex the police > generally don't have the resources to investigate. But the complaints > keep staking up. > I hear all sorts of things, including that you stole a bicycle from someone in Holland and are under investigation by the Dutch Police for drug offenses as well. Now, to be fair, those may just be rumors, but the same thing goes for your accusations. May be true, may be false. > Also on the public record is that Herman was charged in 2005 ?? with > operating an ecstasy drug lab. He is currently under investigation by > the Public Prosecutor for tax evasion along with his former associates > at UnifiedRoot. As an insider to the INAIC Foundation and the > Public-Dash-Root I can confirm there is about $20,000 to $30,000 euro in > tax evasion. But he's too small a fish for them to go after in haste. > They have however gone after his associates Rene Rijntjes and Rob van de > Voort of the TMF Group in Amsterdam, > investors in the UnifiedRoot. > > http://www.publicroot.org/news-2007-04-18-TMF.html > Again, may be true, may not be. Its really irrelevant to this discussion. If Herman is a criminal, why isn't he under arrest and in jail? Inquiring minds want to know.... > Remember John. As an insider to HEX (i.e. INAIC, the Public-Dash-Root & > UnifiedRoot) I uncovered serious financial irregularities when I began > my audit function in Europe. When the parties to HEX failed to resolve > the fraud and money laundering issues I did my duty and reported the > same to the INAIC Council. You may remember they all resigned shortly > thereafter :) > > http://www.publicroot.org/news-2005-09-30-resignations.html > > However - you John remained by Herman Xennt side. True and loyal. > Normal people who are concerned for their reputations will abandon ship > when they realize the ship is sinking. You however choose to stay by > Herman Xennts side. This was a mistake and I think it seriously hampers > your credibility.. > I am loyal to the users of G-root and no one else. I provide infrastructure in a responsible manner and don't shut off a service without much advance notice. The only time that I ever stopped providing root or resolver service was with Aslan when it was used by people to launch DOS attacks against other name servers and that the traffic was 95% of that type of traffic. I don't intend on shutting off G any time soon. Again, responsible provision of services vs your all-talk-and-slander and no-value-delivered. > >> You need to be careful about what information Joe gives you. You have >> to understand >> that Joe destroyed the best (and probably last) good chance that the >> Inclusive TLD >> industry had when we he went off the deep end in 2005 regarding some >> perceived >> wrong-doings that had taken place with public-root.com (Sorry Joe, we >> all make type-o's, >> thats not a capital offense). > > Of course I destroyed it. Along with: >>> People like Leah Gallegos whose business product (.BIZ) was stolen from >>> her by ICANN >>> and now has to take another blow when her other TLD properties were >>> rendered effectivly >>> worthless by Joe's actions in Europe in 2005. > But I completely disagree that it was the > last chance for the inclusive TLD industry. Hell no. You John Baxter > have been in exile for far too long. You have no idea what is happening > in the industry. There are possibly two commercial roots that will be > inclusive name space compliant coming online. We will see. > Again, give us details. You demand that Tom Baxter prove his existence, I demand that you prove the existence of these roots. If they do indeed exist, good for the INS! More real services online vs empty talk. > But seriously John. You would have me hand over control of critical ins > resources to a pack of clowns. You have no control over INS resources. Again, you claim much, much more importance than you actually are. Again, more of your attempt to create an aura of authority around yourself that you DO NOT have. > Remember John I was an insider and based > on my audits. Again, using words like "audits" makes it sound like you are an official or something. You aren't a CPA. You can't audit anything. You stuck your nose in someone else's business, thats all. > I have no problems with stating publicly that the > organizations you provide root service too are involved in tax evasion, > both in Britain and the Netherlands, money laundering, and embezzlement > (80,000 USD). Court cases, conviction dates, please? Now, it may all be true, but you need to prove these claims. >That is what I can ascertain based on an insiders > examination of INAICs finances. Thats on the books. Off book were > looking at possible associations with drugs and prostitution. Again, more slinging around of loaded words. Prove this connection with drugs and prostitution. > These are > the people you are associating with when you provide root service to > Herman Xennt. But thats only my opinion because in the end thats your > business, and your problem. I don't provide root service to Xennt, I provide root service to internet users. > > But John, seriously, are these the type of people that you would expect > me to associate with? Are these the quality of people you would have > operate a trusted inclusive name space? John, my ethics and morals rule > set says no. > No, I would expect that they wouldn't want anything to do with you and that list of people who see through you is growing. >> Joe managed to single-handedly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory >> and in the end >> cost many TLD operators, some of whom (like myself) have been >> investing in our >> registry businesses for 10 years, hundreds of thousands of dollars and >> dashing the hopes >> of others who are trying to make ends meet. > Lets take out the small violin and play john a sad viola score for his > repertoire of complaints. > No, how about you answering for the damage you have done. > John - like you I have suffered financially because of INAIC. No Joe, I and others (Leah, etc) have suffered because of YOU and no one else. >But as an > INAIC insider and the Public Root Representative I had a choice to > make. I could of stayed silent on the fraud, and made some money off > the fraud, and participated in the cover up - like you. But I'm not > like you. I did the right thing - I gave them a limited amount of time > to repay into the company the monies which were stolen (embezzled), plus > other directives. I advised the council members of my findings and got > their support. When I realized INAIC was going to continue in paralysis > and not follow my directives I blew the whistle, the council resigned > and the community abandoned the project. > > You might say John that where angels go trouble follows because angels > have very high standards. When I agreed to take on my duties at INAIC, > the one thing I did not agree to was the creation of an ICANN clone for > criminals. One needs to draw a line when it comes to ethics. I'm on > one side of the line - your on the other, it seems. It's all perception. > There are ways to handle things that do not cause widespread destruction to innocent people. Thats something that you cannot get through your head. You go in like a bull in a China shop with a claim of authority that no one gave you and you leave nothing but destruction in its place. Yah, maybe someone swiped some money from the INAIC coffers, but your method for handling this caused sever collateral damage and you refuse to see this. Instead of contacting the authorities to handle this and having the tact to see the bigger picture, you go on this crusade and to hell with all of the innocent parties that you hurt. You refuse to see this and indeed continue to brag about it as well. >> In early 2007, Joe decided to attempt to mis-use the TLDA name for his >> own twisted purposes. >> The TLDA had been dormant for several years and I was stuck with >> maintianing the infrastructure >> (paying for the domains, hosting the nearly-empty e-mail lists), etc. >> I was the last elected >> Board Chairperson, and so I moved to protect the TLDA reputation from >> Joe's taint. >> >> Anyways, a big fight ensued and I finally gave up anything to to with >> the organization last >> October. I still maintain the domains (TLDA.NET, TLDA.ORG) and will >> hand them over >> to a worthty successor (rule 1: They must denounce Joe Baptista and >> ban him forever >> from the organization or else they don't get the domains). > Thats never going to happen. The TLDA is not a dictatorial organization > nor are you its dictator. Thats why you left the TLDA because no one > was paying attention any more to your dictatorial directives. > I left because I saw no possible value coming from further efforts. My six years there were a futile study in herding cats. In the end, what it boiled down to was that we have 4 or 5 people and even those people were impossible to get together for a simple online meeting. Fact is, people will only work passionatly for something that they think will have success. I worked that way for many years, deluding myself into thinking that we had a chance, finally coming to the realization that no one really believed that we would have any kind of success. While I hope the TLDA succeeds in the future, I see the same group of people taking the same path. That will not produce anything. I hope I'm proved wrong and that they are very successful, but I'm not holding my breath. > Also you are misleading us when you claim that you are maintaining the > TLDAs domains. This is completely untrue. It is correct to say that > you have hijacked the TLDAs domains. The board has demanded that you > hand them over and you have refused to comply. This again is a matter > of public record at the TLDA. > > Do you see why people at the TLDA no longer consider you credible. > > Now what you can expect from the TLDA for hijacking their domains is a > demand letter from their lawyer someday ordering you to hand over their > property. Thank you for showing us your true colors John. They don't have a lawyer. They would need a bank account from which to pay that lawyer first and then have the money to pay him. I was entrusted with the domains and will do the responsible thing and not hand them over to an organization that does not have the moxie to succeed. They need to prove that they are producing value before they transfer will be allowed. As it is now, TLDA.ORG points to their website and I told Karl that I would point them wherever he wants, but no registration transfer until they prove themselves. >> >> The TLDA re-organized in January 2007 under Georgia law and just >> recently had their >> first election of officers under the new charter. I am NOT a member >> now, and have nothing >> to do with the TLDA. Its best if I stay away and let others carry the >> burden for awhile - >> I served 6 years, its time for others to step up now. > This is a lot of misinformation and little white lies. The TLDA > reorganized because I got it back together again to resolve the screw > ups committed by your friends at INAIC. I asked you on a number of > occasions in 2006 the you in your capacity as the secretary and chair of > the TLDA call a meeting of the membership so we could resolve the mess > your pal Herman (the Vermin) Xennt created over in Europe. I remind you > that on every occasion I asked you refused to do your duty and call a > TLDA assembly. Again, who the hell gave you the right to call them together and dictate their duty? More nonsense. You have no authority to do any such thing. More sanctimonious trash! > It was finally I who contacted all the directors in 2007 > allowing for the corporations continuance under Georgia law. > > I further remind you that under your administration as chairman of the > TLDA that you lost its charter because you failed to file the paperwork > necessary to maintain it. Your six years with the TLDA amount to no > work done and alot of incompetence. > > And when the board of directors asked you to hand over the books and > domains of the corporation you held as a former executive you refused. > Because of your behavior we at the TLDA will never trust you again. So > when you say you have decided to have nothing to do with the TLDA - I'm > not surprised. I'm sure some in the TLDA are relieved to have nothing > to do with you too. Personally I'm neutral on the subject. I have no > problem with you being a member of the TLDA. We don't currently have > any ethics rules so I'm sure you'll qualify. But I also have no problem > with your self imposed exile from the TLDA. > There are no "books". The TLDA never had any money or bank account. As for the list of members, this was published on the mailing lists several times with the exclusion of private contact information, the public release of which could be and actionable violation of privacy. This info was turned over to the other member of the Membership committee, Karl Peters. YOU are mad that I didn't release them to YOU because you wanted the contact information to harass and brow-beat them into submitting to your will. I, knowing your MO, was not about to be so irresponsible as to allow that. You were not entitled to that information. > But sir please don't aggrandize yourself here, your so called six years > of service for the TLDA ended up being nothing more then betrayal and an > attempt to hijack an organization to cover up on behalf of your pal > Herman Xennt. I don't see your six years under the circumstances as > anything of substance. > Nothing came of it because we have a 3 or 4 person parade with me constantly trying to get others to step up. What a pathetic group it was. I stuck with it far longer than I should have, but I felt that I should try all that I could to motivate people, but they would not be motivated. > And in closing you mention that now it's time for others to step up and > take over. Thats already happened John. > And I hope they make something of the opportunity. >> Tom, Karl Peters has been a great advocate for the INS and if anyone >> can kick-start the TLDA >> he can. He is not a bad guy like Joe is. I only wish that he would see >> Joe for the destructive >> person he is and denounce him and dissassoiate himself from Joe. > Thats not going to happen. Karl Peters has been slowly investigating > your pal Herman the Vermin Xennt has been up to in Europe. Herman is not my pal. > Karl has > taken seriously my concerns and I am very happy with his progress and > the solutions he has facilitated. In other words Herman the Vermin's > victims are working together and coming out winners because of Karl. > > And the criminals you support are coming out the losers. In the end the > winners will be those who did the right thing and said no to the > criminals. > I don't support criminals, I support internet users. You talk and slander and deliver only destruction. >> Sorry to be so long winded, but the record needs setting straight as >> it always does after an >> unpleaant bout of Baptistherria. > Lets see who vomits first. Will it be John Baxter or Thom Palmer. > > cheers :) > Joe Baptista > When you hear from the proper authorities in Canada, you may not be smiling for long. 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X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1681286781.20080401200644@bridgecompanies.com> To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary In-Reply-To: <026701c8943c$e44058b0$64904002@TAKA> References: <026701c8943c$e44058b0$64904002@TAKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------5C93923AF7D80E" X-Barracuda-Connect: qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net[76.96.62.64] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207094755 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0001 1.0000 -2.0206 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-2.02 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=5.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.1, rules version 3.1.46572 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message From: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:00:15 -0000 ------------5C93923AF7D80E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! (And WANT nothing to do with any list who= se sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org and tl= da.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of hypocr= acy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize o= thers. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the ke= ttle black" routine! As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have accomp= lished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than the TLDA= did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of very f= resh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and are= working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying to contri= bute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience!=20 I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD hol= der, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a trade or= ganization does. There may be need at some point to impose list management,= though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revoked = for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the same = organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but is = certainly welcome. This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA which e= xists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we do= not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and improv= e things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major vict= ories very soon, from multiple fronts. -Karl E. Peters P.S. Please remove me from this list... ------------5C93923AF7D80E Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

David,


I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!  (And WANT nothing to do with any = list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.or= g and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit o= f hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to cri= ticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot callin= g the kettle black" routine!


As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have acc= omplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than the T= LDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of ver= y fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and = are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying to con= tribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience!


I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD = holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a trade= organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list manageme= nt, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revok= ed for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the sa= me organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but = is certainly welcome.


This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA whic= h exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we= do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and imp= rove things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major v= ictories very soon, from multiple fronts.


-Karl E. Peters


P.S. Please remove me from this list...

------------5C93923AF7D80E-- From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Tue Apr 01 20:33:23 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jgquo-0007Ox-TI for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:33:23 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207096746-3e8600060000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id AA3251449 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id jK0NtuFlYM6qMPRg for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:39:06 -0400 (EDT) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Jgr1q-0004YZ-R8 for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:40:38 -0500 Message-ID: <034601c8945a$0311e110$64904002@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 To: References: <02e401c8944a$442f4b20$64904002@TAKA> <47F2C9D8.4020206@ucann2.org> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] Request to Remove Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] Request to Remove Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:39:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207096747 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET From: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:33:23 -0000 The purpose of this list is not to attack anyone, but to point out falsehoods uttered by that person - falsehoods that have destroyed the livleyhood and reputation of many people. There needs to be some place that exposes those lies. The ga is not the place - thats not the topic of that list and the moderator is correct in putting a stop to it. But, there must be a place, seeing how much damage JB has done and is likely to do in the future. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Request to Remove > > I do not know HOW my name was added to the LIST, but I and my > organizations, can not and will not be a part of any personnel attacks > on anyone from anyone. > > I do not care who say what, but to make a LIST completely attacking > anyone person, is completely ridiculous and benefits no one. > > Please remove my name from this list. > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Baptista-Offenses mailing list > Baptista-Offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET > http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses > From baxtertms@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 00:29:03 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jguas-0006fy-SX for baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:29:03 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207110878-4b2600080000-jBn1bC X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from n58.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 3540213EE for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from n58.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (n58.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [98.136.44.46]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with SMTP id gYRipqXEXc4aEdXB for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n58.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 04:35:05 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 04:35:05 -0000 X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 216.252.122.219 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 216.252.122.219 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 04:35:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 456367.32464.bm@omp508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57537 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2008 04:35:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=q8ZV4Ywjow5ZDmwQDqDyDOyLQZILucHAipf99I+8z22hJK1/35IXUs7kEdlzd9f019HBWjPpUbb/HxSlK07QpNxelZWwO727sldNl5X0ri8wOn9/AxKj1cp7hqEjg5i6QtWduG4nAXyQ1JOVvisJ57roPYApUw9znSgCcc/9jfk=; Received: from [24.148.29.239] by web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:35:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:35:04 -0700 (PDT) X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-961563930-1207110904=:50805" Message-ID: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Barracuda-Connect: n58.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[98.136.44.46] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207110880 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-2.02 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=5.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.1, rules version 3.1.46589 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message From: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:29:03 -0000 --0-961563930-1207110904=:50805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii var YAHOO = {'Shortcuts' : {}}; YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = true; YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = ["sensitive_news_terms"]; YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false; YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "Re: [Baptista-offenses] I\x5c\x27m sorry, but this list is neccessary"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "baxtertms@yahoo.com"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = { "lw_1207110619_0": { "text": "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET", "extended": 0, "startchar": 1050, "endchar": 1084, "start": 1050, "end": 1084, "extendedFrom": "", "predictedCategory": "", "predictionProbability": "0", "weight": 1, "type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/identifier/email_address"], "category": ["IDENTIFIER"], "context": "from you for his kind words!!! 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You rock. That\x27s why Blockbuster\x27s offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost", "metaData": { "canonicalName": "Blockbuster Inc.", "exchange": "NYQ", "symbol": "BBI" } }, "lw_1207110619_6": { "text": "one month of Blockbuster Total Access", "extended": 0, "startchar": 4382, "endchar": 4418, "start": 4382, "end": 4418, "extendedFrom": "", "predictedCategory": "", "predictionProbability": "0", "weight": 1, "type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/identifier/hyperlink/http"], "category": ["IDENTIFIER"], "context": "from this list... You rock. That\x27s why Blockbuster\x27s offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost", "metaData": { "linkHref": "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47523/*http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com", "linkProtocol": "http", "linkRel": "nofollow", "linkTarget": "_blank" } } }; I see you yelling at john in a public space, but where was your public outrage at the slanders spit out by joe batista on the galist? You claim to want to bring all together but you side with that jackass and his provications. I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of his nonsence. You would do best to listen an learn about all the evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to run away from something that you may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl??? Hmmm????? And all of this after john praizes you and asks me not to judge you in the same stall as joe the loud mouth. Fine bit of thanks he gets from you for his kind words!!! Thoms ----- Original Message ---- From: "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET" To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary David, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! (And WANT nothing to do with any list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine! As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than the TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying to contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience! I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a trade organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list management, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the same organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but is certainly welcome. This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA which exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and improve things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major victories very soon, from multiple fronts. -Karl E. Peters P.S. Please remove me from this list... ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com --0-961563930-1207110904=:50805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I see you yelling at john in a public space, but where was your public outrage at the slanders
spit out by joe batista on the galist? You claim to want to bring all together but you side
with that jackass and his provications.

I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of his nonsence.  You would do best to listen an learn
about all the evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to run away from something that you
may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl??? Hmmm?????

And all of this after john praizes you and asks me not to judge you in the same stall as joe the loud mouth.
Fine bit of thanks he gets from you for his kind words!!!

Thoms

----- Original Message ----
From: "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET" <baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET>
To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary

David,


I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!  (And WANT nothing to do with any list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine!


As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than the TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying to contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience!


I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a trade organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list management, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the same organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but is certainly welcome.


This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA which exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and improve things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major victories very soon, from multiple fronts.


-Karl E. Peters


P.S. Please remove me from this list...



You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --0-961563930-1207110904=:50805-- From chris@seo.pn Wed Apr 02 04:41:41 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgyXM-0002k1-UE for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:41:40 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207126043-6c4600030000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from magic.magicanswers.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 4A2631561 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic.magicanswers.com (62.52.5546.static.theplanet.com [70.85.82.98]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id JmkWPn45eTuUl9Fk for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 72-28-158-096-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net ([72.28.158.96] helo=namecritic) by magic.magicanswers.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgydD-0005n2-Ck for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:47:20 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c8949e$3e7667f0$0301a8c0@namecritic> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 72.28.158.96 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 72.28.158.96 From: To: References: <026701c8943c$e44058b0$64904002@TAKA> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:47:52 -0400 Organization: NameCritic Inc. 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You do not have my permission to just opt me in to any garbage emails you wish to send out. Chris McElroy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary > After the latest bout of non-sense from Joe Baptista and some of the > responses to his ravings, it is clear that people are not aware of the > damage > that Joe Baptista has been engaged in on the internet. > > Such a destructive force requires a watchdog organization to keep track > of the truth so that unsuspecting people are not taken in nor intimidated > by > such a person. > > We have such organizations to watch over hate groups, for instance, the > Southern > Poverty Law Center monitors white supremicist, nazi and other hate groups > in the United States and the Simon Wiezenthal center still hunts for nazi > war > criminals, so its not without precedent that destructive groups or > individuals have > those who watch their moves and words to quickly respond with the truth > > This list will be a group of first responders who will quickly respond to > his > damaging behaviour with facts. > > I'm sorry that this list is neccessary, but sometimes you have to fight > for > whats right and defend reality.John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. > > All are allowed to join this list and post. Be civil and above all POST > ALL > EVIDENCE that you have. Don't make up stories - that hurts the credibility > of the rest of the facts presented here. Use links copiously. Remeber, > people > will be reading this stuff in the archives for decades to come. > > Joe can certainly respond here as well, but his posts are moderated > because > he will no doubt attempt to disrupt the judicial-like proceedings here. If > he > behaves, he can post. No personal attacks like those on the ga list will > be > allowed. > > Oh, and if anyone has enough real material to post that it takes more than > five > posts per day, please by all means, post more than five times. > > John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. > ###################################### > Join the Baptista Truth Watch at > http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/Baptista-Offenses > ###################################### > > _______________________________________________ > Baptista-Offenses mailing list > Baptista-Offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET > http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses > From scottd@ucann2.org Wed Apr 02 06:23:34 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh07y-00047e-BC for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:23:34 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207132149-2a5900020000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from superturtle.mosimos-systems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id F2624159C for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superturtle.mosimos-systems.com (mail5.ucann2.org [75.89.63.35]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id IYCTorby3NAkAxyY for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eyeBall.local (cluster-a.dnscloset.net [75.89.63.34]) by superturtle.mosimos-systems.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32AKkbL007893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:20:48 -0400 Message-ID: <47F36011.6050809@ucann2.org> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 75.89.63.34 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 75.89.63.34 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:29:37 -0400 From: David Scott User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary References: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Barracuda-Connect: mail5.ucann2.org[75.89.63.35] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207132152 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -1.82 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-1.82 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=5.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests=BSF_SC7_SA015e, HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.1, rules version 3.1.46613 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.00 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts 0.20 BSF_SC7_SA015e Custom Rule SA015e X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:23:34 -0000 Mr. Baxter and Mr. Palmer.

To create a list only for the purpose of trying to discredit anyone person, and only one person is completely useless and pointless.

The only outrage is that someone would actually think that they can benefit from the creation of such a list.
I have requested to be removed. And yet, I'm still getting these emails.

Remove my email from this list, I did not sign up for this, nor did I give my permission to be on this list.
The use of my email on this list is on th verge of sending me spam that can come through my filters.

baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET wrote:
I see you yelling at john in a public space, but where was your public outrage at the slanders
spit out by joe batista on the galist? You claim to want to bring all together but you side
with that jackass and his provications.

I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of his nonsence.  You would do best to listen an learn
about all the evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to run away from something that you
may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl??? Hmmm?????

And all of this after john praizes you and asks me not to judge you in the same stall as joe the loud mouth.
Fine bit of thanks he gets from you for his kind words!!!

Thoms

----- Original Message ----
From: "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET" <baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET>
To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary

David,


I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!  (And WANT nothing to do with any list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine!


As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than the TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying to contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience!


I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a trade organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list management, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the same organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but is certainly welcome.


This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA which exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and improve things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major victories very soon, from multiple fronts.


-Karl E. Peters


P.S. Please remove me from this list...



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From chris@seo.pn Wed Apr 02 06:57:01 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh0eK-00069g-TC for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:57:00 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207134145-3b8000040000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from magic.magicanswers.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 0E70015D0 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic.magicanswers.com (62.52.5546.static.theplanet.com [70.85.82.98]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id Jf2nhan9vBZCZDyu for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 72-28-158-096-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net ([72.28.158.96] helo=namecritic) by magic.magicanswers.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh0jz-0007ts-Mp for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:02:29 -0800 Message-ID: <0af301c894b1$1bdf7250$0301a8c0@namecritic> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 72.28.158.96 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 72.28.158.96 From: To: References: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47F36011.6050809@ucann2.org> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:02:55 -0400 Organization: NameCritic Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0AF0_01C8948F.933AD640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - magic.magicanswers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lair.lionpost.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - seo.pn X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Barracuda-Connect: 62.52.5546.static.theplanet.com[70.85.82.98] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207134151 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -1.27 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-1.27 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=5.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests=BSF_SC7_SA015e, HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.1, rules version 3.1.46615 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.55 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.20 BSF_SC7_SA015e Custom Rule SA015e X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:57:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0AF0_01C8948F.933AD640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I second everything David just said. I have also asked to be removed. = You are spamming me with these emails. Adding people to your list = without their permission only goes to prove the points made by the = people who question your character. REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST. = UNSUBSCRIBE ME. Chris McElroy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Scott=20 To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is = neccessary Mr. Baxter and Mr. Palmer. To create a list only for the purpose of trying to discredit anyone = person, and only one person is completely useless and pointless. The only outrage is that someone would actually think that they can = benefit from the creation of such a list. I have requested to be removed. And yet, I'm still getting these = emails. Remove my email from this list, I did not sign up for this, nor did I = give my permission to be on this list. The use of my email on this list is on th verge of sending me spam = that can come through my filters. baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET wrote:=20 I see you yelling at john in a public space, but where was your = public outrage at the slanders spit out by joe batista on the galist? You claim to want to bring = all together but you side with that jackass and his provications.=20 I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of his nonsence. = You would do best to listen an learn about all the evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to = run away from something that you=20 may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl??? Hmmm????? And all of this after john praizes you and asks me not to judge you = in the same stall as joe the loud mouth.=20 Fine bit of thanks he gets from you for his kind words!!! Thoms ----- Original Message ---- From: "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET" = To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is = neccessary David, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! (And WANT nothing to do with any = list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until = tlda.org and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove = that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable = grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not = into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine! As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have = accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than = the TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a = number of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to = actual results and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old = people are trying to contribute, though this surprises me, based on = previous experience!=20 I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying = TLD holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what = a trade organization does. There may be need at some point to impose = list management, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights = should not be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not = handle being in the same organization as others, the offended party is = not required to stay, but is certainly welcome. This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA = which exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, = before, we do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to = work and improve things. We are making progress now and expect to = conclude some major victories very soon, from multiple fronts. -Karl E. Peters P.S. Please remove me from this list... -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of = Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- _______________________________________________ Baptista-Offenses mailing list Baptista-Offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Baptista-Offenses mailing list Baptista-Offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses ------=_NextPart_000_0AF0_01C8948F.933AD640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I second everything David just said. I = have also=20 asked to be removed. You are spamming me with these emails. Adding = people to=20 your list without their permission only goes to prove the points made by = the=20 people who question your character. REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST. = UNSUBSCRIBE=20 ME.
 
Chris McElroy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David = Scott=20
To: baptista-offenses@LAI= R.LIONPOST.NET=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 = 6:29=20 AM
Subject: Re: = [Baptista-offenses] I'm=20 sorry, but this list is neccessary

Mr. Baxter and Mr. Palmer.

To create a list only = for the=20 purpose of trying to discredit anyone person, and only one person is=20 completely useless and pointless.

The only outrage is that = someone=20 would actually think that they can benefit from the creation of such a = list.
I have requested to be removed. And yet, I'm still getting = these=20 emails.

Remove my email from this list, I did not sign up for = this, nor=20 did I give my permission to be on this list.
The use of my email on = this=20 list is on th verge of sending me spam that can come through my=20 filters.

baptista-offenses@LAI= R.LIONPOST.NET=20 wrote:=20
I see=20 you yelling at john in a public space, but where was your public = outrage at=20 the slanders
spit out by joe batista on the galist? You claim to = want to=20 bring all together but you side
with that jackass and his = provications.=20

I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of his=20 nonsence.  You would do best to listen an learn
about all = the=20 evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to run away from = something=20 that you
may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl???=20 Hmmm?????

And all of this after john praizes you and asks me = not to=20 judge you in the same stall as joe the loud mouth.
Fine bit of = thanks he=20 gets from you for his kind words!!!

Thoms

-----=20 Original Message ----
From: "baptista-offenses@LA= IR.LIONPOST.NET"=20 <baptista-offenses= @LAIR.LIONPOST.NET>
To:=20 baptista-offenses@LAI= R.LIONPOST.NET
Sent:=20 Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM
Subject: Re: = [Baptista-offenses] I'm=20 sorry, but this list is neccessary

David,


I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!  (And WANT nothing to do = with any=20 list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until = tlda.org and=20 tlda.net=20 are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of = hypocracy from=20 the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize = others. Had=20 he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle = black"=20 routine!


As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone = have=20 accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans = than the=20 TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a = number of=20 very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual = results=20 and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are = trying to=20 contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience! =


I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY = qualifying TLD=20 holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what = a trade=20 organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list=20 management, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights = should not=20 be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle = being in=20 the same organization as others, the offended party is not required = to stay,=20 but is certainly welcome.


This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the = TLDA which=20 exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, = before, we do=20 not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and = improve=20 things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major = victories very soon, from multiple fronts.


-Karl E. Peters


P.S. Please remove me from this = list...



You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, = No Cost. 

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Williams" To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET, baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET, info@us-cert.gov X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: c8e3929e1e9c87a874cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e519606889361a8f72cc4310595ae351f8a084c5c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 X-Barracuda-Connect: elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net[209.86.89.67] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207137542 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-2.02 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=5.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.1, rules version 3.1.46618 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Cc: X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:53:23 -0000 Chris and all, I second Chris on this. This is total nonsense. Please unsubscribe me from this errant Defamination mailing list immediately! I shall be blocking the domain for this list which I did not subscribe to shortly. I have also blocked ucann2.org. Let me make one thing very clear to anyone that has been getting this nonsense. I have known Dr. Joe Baptista for a number of years and I know him as an honest and extremely competant and ethical person! -----Original Message----- >From: chris@seo.pn >Sent: Apr 2, 2008 1:47 AM >To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET >Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary > >I would appreciate it if you do not subscribe me to any lists in the future. >You do not have my permission to just opt me in to any garbage emails you >wish to send out. > >Chris McElroy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:11 PM >Subject: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary > > >> After the latest bout of non-sense from Joe Baptista and some of the >> responses to his ravings, it is clear that people are not aware of the >> damage >> that Joe Baptista has been engaged in on the internet. >> >> Such a destructive force requires a watchdog organization to keep track >> of the truth so that unsuspecting people are not taken in nor intimidated >> by >> such a person. >> >> We have such organizations to watch over hate groups, for instance, the >> Southern >> Poverty Law Center monitors white supremicist, nazi and other hate groups >> in the United States and the Simon Wiezenthal center still hunts for nazi >> war >> criminals, so its not without precedent that destructive groups or >> individuals have >> those who watch their moves and words to quickly respond with the truth >> >> This list will be a group of first responders who will quickly respond to >> his >> damaging behaviour with facts. >> >> I'm sorry that this list is neccessary, but sometimes you have to fight >> for >> whats right and defend reality.John Palmer - American Webmasters, Inc. >> >> All are allowed to join this list and post. Be civil and above all POST >> ALL >> EVIDENCE that you have. Don't make up stories - that hurts the credibility >> of the rest of the facts presented here. Use links copiously. Remeber, >> people >> will be reading this stuff in the archives for decades to come. >> >> Joe can certainly respond here as well, but his posts are moderated >> because >> he will no doubt attempt to disrupt the judicial-like proceedings here. If >> he >> behaves, he can post. No personal attacks like those on the ga list will >> be >> allowed. >> >> Oh, and if anyone has enough real material to post that it takes more than >> five >> posts per day, please by all means, post more than five times. >> Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) 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ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 From info@public-root.com Wed Apr 02 04:41:21 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgyX3-0006Xw-IS for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:41:21 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1207126025-6c4600010000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.cyberbunker.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 7DC0D151E for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cyberbunker.com (mail.cyberbunker.com [84.22.100.108]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id oqcYOdEqwFazdSZc for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:47:05 -0400 (EDT) X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from CentralCommand (ftp.cyberbunker.com [84.22.100.10]) by mail.cyberbunker.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 13B235FC2C for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:44:11 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 84.22.100.10 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 84.22.100.10 Message-Id: <47F34891.000007.03280@CENTRALCOMMAND> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:49:21 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/related; charset="us-ascii"; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_9IWOWCW0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (5683265) From: "Public-Root" References: <167777.50805.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-FID: 108AAAA9-F41D-401B-BCC2-7F22B2F57BC7 X-Priority: 3 To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary X-Barracuda-Connect: mail.cyberbunker.com[84.22.100.108] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1207126026 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:17:08 -0400 X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:41:21 -0000 --------------Boundary-00=_9IWOWCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_9IWORN00000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_9IWORN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=0D =0D My name is Xennt. I do not know how I came on this list. I am against any form of slander. I am because I just hate injustice, and also because I h= ave been Joe Baptista's favorite victim since august 2005. =0D =0D I never did do anything wrong in my entire life. However Joe is convinced otherwise and you all have witnessed the results. I am publicly accused b= y Joe for almost anything you can imagine. Just Google my name and you see what I mean. This crab is the product of Joe's deranged imagination. =0D =0D During his stay in the Netherlands I have seen Joe completely destroy companies and people just by slandering them. All in order to "show the world" that what he thinks is right. It does not bother him at all that h= is allegations may be based on lies. =0D =0D =0D I do not think any list can put a stop to Joe's "Mission from god" as he calls it. I just hope for any of you that you are never in Joe's way. Joe will just carry out his mission and will cause as much damage and disaste= r as possible, till he dies. =0D =0D This is my first and final message to this list. =0D Please take me off the list. =0D I am simply not interested in anything that is related to Joe Baptista.=0D =0D Regards,=0D Xennt=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET=0D Date: 4/2/2008 6:32:09 AM=0D To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET=0D Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary=0D =0D I see you yelling at john in a public space, but where was your public outrage at the slanders=0D spit out by joe batista on the galist? You claim to want to bring all together but you side=0D with that jackass and his provications. =0D =0D I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of his nonsence. You wo= uld do best to listen an learn=0D about all the evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to run aw= ay from something that you =0D may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl??? Hmmm?????=0D =0D And all of this after john praizes you and asks me not to judge you in th= e same stall as joe the loud mouth. =0D Fine bit of thanks he gets from you for his kind words!!!=0D =0D Thoms=0D =0D =0D =0D ----- Original Message ----=0D From: "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET" =0D To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET=0D Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM=0D Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary=0D =0D =0D David,=0D =0D =0D I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! (And WANT nothing to do with any list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org a= nd tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA to at least remove that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John has some arguable grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine!=0D =0D =0D As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have accomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than = the TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual results and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are trying = to contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience! =0D =0D =0D I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TLD holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a tra= de organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list managem= ent though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not be revoke= d for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being in the sam= e organization as others, the offended party is not required to stay, but i= s certainly welcome.=0D =0D =0D This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA which exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before, we= do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work and impro= ve things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some major victories very soon, from multiple fronts.=0D =0D =0D -Karl E. Peters=0D =0D =0D P.S. Please remove me from this list...=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_9IWORN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
My name is Xennt. I do not know= how I came on this list. I am against any form of slander. I am because = I just hate injustice, and also because I have been= Joe Baptista's favorite victim since august 2005. 

I never d= id do anything wrong in my entire life. However Joe is convinced otherwis= e and you all have witnessed the results. I am publicly accused by Joe fo= r almost anything you can imagine. Just Google my name and you see w= hat I mean. This crab is the product of Joe's deranged imagination. =
 
During his stay in the Netherlands I have s= een Joe completely destroy companies and people just by slander= ing them. All in order to "show the world" that what he th= inks is right. It does not bother him at all that his allegations ma= y be based on lies.
I do not think any list can put a stop to Joe's "Mission from g= od" as he calls it. I just hope for any of you that you are never in Joe'= s way. Joe will just carry out his mission and will cause as mu= ch damage and disaster as possible, till he dies.

This = is my first and final message to this list.
Please take me off the li= st.
I am simply not interested in anything that is related to Joe Bap= tista.

Regards,
Xennt
 
-------Original Message----= ---
 
Date: 4/2/2008 6:3= 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Bapt= ista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary
 
I= see you yelling at john in a public space, but where was your public out= rage at the slanders
spit out by joe batista on the galist? You claim = to want to bring all together but you side
with that jackass and his p= rovications.

I aplaud John for creating a place to expose all of = his nonsence.  You would do best to listen an learn
about all the= evidance. Sounds like you wan t to leave the list to run away from somet= hing that you
may be afraid to see. Am i correct, Karl??? Hmmm?????
And all of this after john praizes you and asks me not to judge you= in the same stall as joe the loud mouth.
Fine bit of thanks he gets = from you for his kind words!!!

Thoms

----- Original Message ----
From: "baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIO= NPOST.NET" <baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET>
To: baptista-of= fenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 8:06:44 PM
Su= bject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] I'm sorry, but this list is neccessary
=

David,


I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!  (And WANT nothing to do with an= y list whose sole job is to monitor someone's personal behavior until tlda.org and tlda.net are returned fully to the TLDA = to at least remove that bit of hypocracy from the list founder and John h= as some arguable grounds to criticize others. Had he refrained from this = kind I'm not into the "pot calling the kettle black" routine!


As for effectiveness of the TLDA, I can assure you that I alone have a= ccomplished more in the last three months for TLDA goals and plans than t= he TLDA did in its entire six years under your control. We have a number = of very fresh faces with great expertise who are dedicated to actual resu= lts and are working toward that end. Even a few of the old people are try= ing to contribute, though this surprises me, based on previous experience= !


I will fight any attempt to restrict membership from ANY qualifying TL= D holder, regardless of aims or affiliations because that is not what a t= rade organization does. There may be need at some point to impose list ma= nagement, though I hope not, but membership and voting rights should not = be revoked for disagreement. If there are those that can not handle being= in the same organization as others, the offended party is not required t= o stay, but is certainly welcome.


This is not going to be "your" TLDA or mine, it belongs to the TLDA wh= ich exists entirely for the best interests of TLD holders. Unlike, before= , we do not set out with the expectation of failure, but rather to work a= nd improve things. We are making progress now and expect to conclude some= major victories very soon, from multiple fronts.


-Karl E. Peters


P.S. Please remove me from this list...



You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.=20
 
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YahooMailRC/975.23 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:38:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Baxter X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Fw: TLDA-Public TLDA Violates privacey of members and perspective members To: baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-633591160-1209969535=:27671" Message-ID: <153945.27671.qm@web45713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Barracuda-Connect: n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[98.136.44.39] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1209969464 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Fw: TLDA-Public TLDA Violates privacey of members and perspective members X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 06:32:16 -0000 --0-633591160-1209969535=:27671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I figured this can be on topic for this list since it involves baptista with his finger into the tlda controlling it. Karl apparently is joes bitch and does every thing he says. The tlda is worse than just a coffee cluch of talkers only, its captured by baptista for no good undobtably. See below - more offenses by joe the scammer. if I had the money i'd file a lawsute for privacey breaches. BAX! Names Allentown http://www.bax-names-allentown.com Computer setup, training, software and services Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Thomas Baxter To: public@lists.tldainc.org Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 1:29:35 AM Subject: TLDA-Public TLDA Violates privacey of members and perspective members So, I stick my neck out and decided, well maybe I will try out the Tlda and send my application privatly to Karl and he immediatly sends it to Baptista, violating my privacey. sihg - sorry I was betrayed again. I wont ever make this mistake again. Delete my application and dont share it with other inauthorized persons again. I changed my mind based on this behavor. John was right, this is a baptista front organization wrapped around his little finger, which indicates nothing good can come out from it. Thoms BAX! Names Allentown http://www.bax-names-allentown.com Computer setup, training, software and services Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD. --0-633591160-1209969535=:27671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I figured this can be on topic for this list since it involves baptista
with his finger into the tlda controlling it. Karl apparently is
joes bitch and does every thing he says. The tlda is worse than
just a coffee cluch of talkers only, its captured by baptista for
no good undobtably.

See below - more offenses by joe the scammer. if I had the
money i'd file a lawsute for privacey breaches.
 
BAX! Names Allentown
http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
Computer setup, training, software and services
Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@yahoo.com>
To: public@lists.tldainc.org
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 1:29:35 AM
Subject: TLDA-Public TLDA Violates privacey of members and perspective members

So, I stick my neck out and decided, well maybe I will try out the Tlda and send
my application privatly to Karl and he immediatly sends it to Baptista, violating my
privacey.

sihg - sorry I was betrayed again. I wont ever make this mistake again.

Delete my application and dont share it with other inauthorized persons again.
I changed my mind based on this behavor.  John was right, this is a baptista front
organization wrapped around his little finger, which indicates nothing good can
come out from it.

Thoms
 
BAX! Names Allentown
http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
Computer setup, training, software and services
Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.

--0-633591160-1209969535=:27671-- From baxtertms@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 16:45:08 2008 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KQpsa-0001al-BS for baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:45:08 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1218055611-350900010000-jBn1bC X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id C176A10652 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [98.136.44.42]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with SMTP id CwC2ZoVVrHO3FERW for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:46:51 -0400 (EDT) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 20:50:10 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.158] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 20:50:10 -0000 X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 216.252.122.219 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 216.252.122.219 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 20:50:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 557862.45245.bm@omp406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 40986 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 20:50:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=COs+Ru53cJCQsjeh/lgsQVUUGaA/LQFFRm/ik0rL745mJ6RgbxJqYV6qrF3tKLNeqmdFlJWpD5AEbSc9BXyQt1BPizNnWcfIaQJk3TbP0GjFmtJoBM5hYxm+9Kcl/cZMWOT9v6QoBEWhc3JkTuUe1sOQTjIHjYSQnw3W3jO25P0=; Received: from [198.7.47.200] by web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:50:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:50:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Baxter X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Warning - this is relivent to T L D A survival - Here is how much Crackpot baptista is - you should expell him now To: baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2037224477-1218055809=:39165" Message-ID: <409067.39165.qm@web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Barracuda-Connect: n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[98.136.44.42] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1218055611 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Warning - this is relivent to T L D A survival - Here is how much Crackpot baptista is - you should expell him now X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:45:08 -0000 --0-2037224477-1218055809=:39165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AI am digging around the internet and found this data about baptista = - do you all know how much of a kook he is=0Alibelling law enforcment brave= protectors and others. Seems the goverment of Canada has unpleasant dealin= gs with joe=0Aas well.=0A=0AThis is what you have when you allow crazy joe = to be considered a grand father of the dns in your organization. I join=0Aw= ith John and emplore you to expel this trouble maker before he sinks the T = L D A unless it sinks from lack of =0Apersons willing to paddle the boat.= =0A=0AI will continue to dig in google and other search engines for more in= formation. It amaze what you can find when you type=0A"Joe Baptista lawsuit= ", "Joe Baptista warrant". Next, I'll try "Joe Baptista felon". Hopefully i= n not so long, it will be =0A"Joe Baptista in prison 20 year sentence" will= return big result from google.=0A=0AFrom http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/defa= mation/liability.html=0A...=0A"The issue of ISP liability has also arisen i= n Canada. For example,=0Awhere the original authors may be judgment proof, = the plaintiff could=0Aseek a remedy from an intermediary. For example, in F= antino v. Baptista,=0Aan Ontario policeman obtained a modest default judgme= nt for CDN$40,000=0Afor damages in respect to some defamatory electronic me= ssages. The=0Adefendant, who claimed he had no assets and could afford to i= gnore the=0Ajudgment, reportedly told a newspaper reporter he was an "Inter= net god"=0Awho was engaged in a war against the government. This type of de= fendant=0Amay lead plaintiffs to sue "deep pocket" defendants such as large= =0AISP=D5s. (64)"=0A=0AAnd more info on that from: http://lists.samurai.com= /pipermail/bryans-list/1995-October/000666.html=0A=0A=0AThe London Free Pre= ss=0ASection B - Page 1=0AMonday. September 18, 1995=0A=0ASection Title:=09= LIBEL=0ATitle:=09=09Fantino's lawyer attacks coutersuit=0ASub-Title:=09Joe = Baptista calls himself `Dr.' and `Internet god' in =0Athe $1.5 million clai= m against the police chief.=0A=0ABy Eva Janssen=0AFree Press Reporter=0A---= ----------------=0AThe lawyers for London police Chief Julian Fantino, who = is suing a =0AToronto man for allegedly libelling him through computer mess= ages, is =0Aexpected to apply to have the man's statement of defence and co= unterclaim =0Athrown out of court.=0A=0ARene Gasparotto, who represents Fan= tino, said the legal documents filed =0Aby Joe Baptista, a self-described h= arasser of police and critic of =0Agovernment,=0A contained offensive mater= ial and should be declared invalid =0Ain a Toronto court, where the case wi= ll be heard.=0A=0A"It's an abuse of process," he said in an interview.=0A= =0AFantino is suing Baptista for $1.5 million in compensation for damages t= o =0Ahis reputation resulting from what he calls "maliciously false and =0A= defamatory" remarks about him spread via computer between February and =0Am= id-July.=0A=0ACOUNTERCLIAM: Last week, Baptista responded by submitting a s= tatement of =0Adefense and counterclaim for $1.5 million in compensation fo= r libel and =0A"malicious falsehood."=0A=0AHe also called for an interim an= d final injunction restraining Fantino =0Afrom communicating with anyone ab= out him. Baptista claimed Fantino has =0Amade "wild, insane and malicious = accusations" against him and proposed =0Athe civil action be tried before a= jury in London.=0A=0AGasparotto said he has never seen a similar statement= of defence, in =0Awhich=0A Baptista claims he is an "Internet god" and "at= war with the =0ACanadian government" since April, 1993.=0A=0ABaptista, who= refers to himself in the statement of defence as "Dr.," =0Asays a document= in Fantino's statement originated from the =0A"ExtraTerrestrial Archives (= ETA)."=0A=0AHe also claims the courts have no jurisdiction in the action bu= t pleads =0Ahe has "no malevolence or spite" toward Fantino.=0A=0AGasparott= o said he doubts Baptista is mentally unfit, despite his wild =0Astatements= ..=0A=0AA LITTLE WEIRD: "He may be a little weird, but he's not crazy," he s= aid. =0A"I think he's just putting on a show."=0A=0AThe libel action, poss= ibly one of the first in Ontario involving computer =0Amessages, could be r= esolved within a month if Baptista's documents are =0Adismissed.=0A=0AHowev= er, Gasparotto said the judge will likely give Baptista another =0Aopportun= ity to file a proper statement of defence and counterclaim rather =0Athan= =0A pass judgement immediately.=0A=0AIf that happens, Gasparotto said he wi= ll file for an interim injunction =0Ato prevent Baptista from referring to = Fantino in electronic communications.=0A=0ABaptista could not be reached fo= r comment, although he said earlier he =0Arefuses to be bullied.=0A=0ABapti= sta is no stranger to London police. He and a friend, Robert Riley, =0Aare= accused by several police departments of making "frivolous and =0Avexatiou= s" requests for information under Ontario's freedom of =0Ainformation and p= rotection of privacy law, including requests for =0Aofficers' food and beve= rage receipts.=0A=0ARiley and Baptista were subjects of a provincial inquir= y into the =0Afreedom-of-information law last month. A ruling is expected = in October. --0-2037224477-1218055809=:39165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am diggin= g around the internet and found this data about baptista - do you all know = how much of a kook he is
libelling law enforcment brave protectors and o= thers. Seems the goverment of Canada has unpleasant dealings with joe
as= well.

This is what you have when you allow crazy joe to be consider= ed a grand father of the dns in your organization. I join
with John and = emplore you to expel this trouble maker before he sinks the T L D A unless = it sinks from lack of
persons willing to paddle the boat.

I will= continue to dig in google and other search engines for more information. I= t amaze what you can find when you type
"Joe Baptista lawsuit", "Joe Bap= tista warrant". Next, I'll try "Joe Baptista felon". Hopefully in not so long, it will be
"Joe Baptis= ta in prison 20 year=0A sentence" will return big result from google.
From http://w= ww.angelfire.com/ca2/defamation/liability.html
...
"The is= sue of ISP liability has also arisen in Canada. For example,=0Awhere the or= iginal authors may be jud= gment proof, the plaintiff could=0Aseek a remedy from an intermediar= y. For example, in Fantino v. Baptista,=0Aan Ontario policeman obtai= ned a modest default judgment= for CDN$40,000=0Afor damages in respect to some defamatory electron= ic messages. The=0Adefendant, who claimed he had no assets and could afford= to ignore the=0Ajudgment, reportedly told a newspaper reporter he was an "= Internet god"=0Awho was engaged in a war against the government. This type = of defendant=0Amay lead plaintiffs to sue "deep pocket" defendants such as = large=0AISP=D5s. (64)"

And more info on that = from: http://lists.samurai.com/pipermail/bryans-list/1995-October/000666.= html

The London Free Press
Section B - Page 1
Monday. September =
18, 1995

Section Title:=09LIBEL
Title:=09=09Fantino's lawyer atta=
cks coutersuit
Sub-Title:=09Joe Baptista calls himself `Dr.' and `Intern=
et god' in 
the $1.5 million claim against the police chief.

By E=
va Janssen
Free Press Reporter
-------------------
The lawyers for=
 London police Chief Juli=
an Fantino, who is suing a
 
Toronto man for allegedly libelling him through computer messages, is =

expected to apply to have the man's statement of defence and countercla=
im 
thrown out of court.

Rene Gasparotto, who represents Fantino,=
 said the legal documents filed 
by Joe Baptista, a self-described haras=
ser of police and critic of 
government,
 contained offensive materia=
l and should be declared invalid 
in a Toronto court, where the case will be heard.
"It's an abuse of process," he said in an interview.

Fantino is suing Baptista for $1.5 m=
illion in compensation for damages to 
his reputation resulting from wha=
t he calls "maliciously false and 
defamatory" remarks about him spread =
via computer between February and 
mid-July.

COUNTERCLIAM: Last
 week, Baptista responded by submitting a statement of 
defense and coun=
terclaim for $1.5 million in compensation for libel and 
"malicious falsehood."

He also=
 called for an interim and final injunction restraining Fantino 
from co=
mmunicating with anyone about him.  Baptista claimed Fantino has 
made "=
wild, insane and malicious accusations" against him and proposed 
the ci=
vil action be tried before a jury in London.

Gasparotto said he has never seen a simi=
lar statement of defence, in 
which
 Baptista claims he is an "Intern=
et god" and "at war with the 
Canadian government" since April, 1993.
Baptista, who refers to himself in the statement of defence as "Dr.," =

says a document in Fantino's statement originated from the
 
"ExtraTerrestrial Archives (ETA)."

He also claims the courts ha=
ve no jurisdiction in the action but pleads 
he has "no malevolence or s=
pite" toward Fantino.

Gasparotto said he doubts Baptista is mentally=
 unfit, despite his wild 
statements.

A LITTLE WEIRD: "He may be =
a little weird, but he's not crazy," he said.  
"I think he's just putti=
ng on a show."

The libel action, possibly one of the first in Ontari=
o involving computer 
messages, could be resolved within a month if Bapt=
ista's documents are 
dismissed.

However, Gasparotto said the jud=
ge will likely give Baptista another 
opportunity to file a proper state=
ment of defence and counterclaim rather 
than
 pass judgement immedia=
tely.

If that happens, Gasparotto said he will file for an interim i=
njunction 
to prevent Baptista from referring to Fantino in electronic c=
ommunications.

Baptista could not be reached for comment,
 although he said earlier he 
refuses to be bullied.

Baptista is =
no stranger to London police.  He and a friend, Robert Riley, 
are accus=
ed by several police dep=
artments of making "frivolous and 
vexatious" requests for inform=
ation under Ontario's freedom of 
information and protection of privacy law, including re=
quests for 
officers' food and beverage receipts.

Riley and Bapti=
sta were subjects of a provincial inquiry into the 
freedom-of-informati=
on law last month.  A ruling is expected in October.


--0-2037224477-1218055809=:39165-- From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Thu Feb 26 00:54:44 2009 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LcZCm-0006My-Sf for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:54:44 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1235627682-523d00000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id D9E53292A2 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id CCZazvGBqRIUcg3r for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:54:42 -0500 (EST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1LcZBN-0005ff-A9 for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:53:17 -0500 Message-ID: <04b501c997d6$b3deac00$80904002@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Oh my god - he looks just like I thought he would!! Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:54:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04B2_01C997A4.68FF1CB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1235627683 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at ADNS.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Oh my god - he looks just like I thought he would!! X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:54:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04B2_01C997A4.68FF1CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who is this goofy guy - well its our friend Joe! ------=_NextPart_000_04B2_01C997A4.68FF1CB0 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="joe-baptista.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="joe-baptista.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEARwBIAAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQYGBcU FhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYaKCgoKCgo KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCj/wgARCADwANkDAREA 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Message-ID: <478B066D19104A2BA44AF31F78BECB7C@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Joe continues to lie about the sale of the shares in PCCF. I am a director and my opinion is Herman owns the shares Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:10:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CACE02.AAD4A700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1269749428 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Joe continues to lie about the sale of the shares in PCCF. I am a director and my opinion is Herman owns the shares X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 04:10:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CACE02.AAD4A700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe is still lying about the PCCF shares. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Baptista=20 To: Andrew McMeikan=20 Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org ; Rod Beckstrom ; Rod Beckstrom=20 Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [ga] censorship among root servers I was wondering how long this would take to make the rounds. This is a = serious issue. See RFC 2826 http://bit.ly/drkKN8 On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Andrew McMeikan = wrote: I was reading = https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-March/005267.htm= l I first saw it here:=20 =20 which suggests that some of China's censorship is leaking but would seem mostly confined (i.e. not leaking to Japan) First of all this is a very grave and serious issue having incredible = security repercussions world wide. If in fact a root server was = responding that facebook could be found at IP address 46.82.174.68 then = we have a problem. A root server the world depends on has been hijacked. Rod Beckstrom should investigate and report back immediately on what = happened. I remind this group that it only takes one root server to take = over the entire net. I've proven that technical point on two occasions. = Rod should address the following questions: 1. What happened? 2. Did ICANN know i.root server was censoring facebook.com in China?=20 3. Did ICANN approve this? Folks - please remember the servers may have been hijacked. ICANN and = China may not have been involved. It's easy to hijack IP numbers. I know = some people over in Amsterdam who hijack IP. It's happened to me. The problem here irrespective of censorship or hijacker issues is if = more sites were tampered with. Was the condition above only restricted = to facebook.com or is it possible other web sites have been compromised. = Banks, Governments, finance companies, credit cards etc. etc. etc. We = probably won't ever know. People would just notice a slower response = time on the web because of the proxy in between. This proxy site at = 46.82.174.68 and 59.24.3.173 would collect the users personal = information for whatever domain was being intercepted. Whomever the root hijacker is they are behind the proxy sites that were = running at IPv4 addresses 46.82.174.68 and 59.24.3.173. 46.82.174.68 = looks like an unallocated block at RIPE and 59.24.3.173 allocated to KT = Corporation in Korea. The companies website looks like a social = networking site. So either they were somehow involved as network = providers to the China ICANN censorship conspiracy or their routing was = hacked. So if this was not an ICANN China conspiracy to test the DNS - then I = would be very worried right now because millions of facebook user = accounts could be compromised. And I hate to rub everyones nose in it - but if this in fact did happen = and facebook users were redirected - then it proves my point. To be = secure one should operate their own root servers.=20 =20 Is this the start to the end of DNS? Implementing censorship occurs more aggressively as western countries embrace what was previously frowned on as totalitarian giving countries that already embrace censorship a justifiable position in more extreme censorship. If root nodes are compromised to the point that they redirect queries to false sites then any trust in DNS is lost. I call on everyone here to support a declaration that: "No censorship can be tolerated within the root servers." and that this supported declaration be forwarded to the ICANN board that they may press China to chose another way to achieve their internal polices than polluting a global shared resource. I trust that this is such a minimalist statement that it can receive unanimous support within the general assembly. My personal views on censorship would like to make a much broader statement but without this minimal simplistic position for root server trust, I feel that there can be no functioning name system. Yes - you are absolutely right in all of your concerns and Rod Beckstrom = has to give us some hard answers. This may very well be the final nail in ICANNs coffin. This is also a = serious wake up call to governments world wide. If governments want to = guarantee their people and infrastructure is secure then they have to = kiss the thirteen ugly root sisters goodbye and run their own root = infrastructure or run the risk that some other government or hacker kid = can cause havoc to your networks. P.S. There is a less technical description of what happened at = http://bit.ly/bZbkB1 regards joe baptista ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CACE02.AAD4A700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe is still lying about the PCCF=20 shares.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joe=20 Baptista
Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org ; Rod=20 Beckstrom ; Rod Beckstrom
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] censorship among root servers

I was wondering how long this would take to make the = rounds. This=20 is a serious issue. See RFC 2826 http://bit.ly/drkKN8

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Andrew = McMeikan <andrewm@iinet.net.au> = wrote:

I=20 was reading
https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-= March/005267.html

I first saw it here:
 

which=20 suggests that some of China's censorship is leaking but would
seem = mostly=20 confined (i.e. not leaking to Japan)

First of all this is a very grave and serious issue having = incredible=20 security repercussions world wide. If in fact a root server was = responding that=20 facebook could be found at IP address 46.82.174.68 then we = have a=20 problem. A root server the world depends on has been = hijacked.

Rod=20 Beckstrom should investigate and report back immediately on what = happened. I=20 remind this group that it only takes one root server to take over the = entire=20 net. I've proven that technical point on two occasions. Rod should = address the=20 following questions:

1. What happened?

2. Did ICANN know = i.root=20 server was censoring facebook.com in = China?=20

3. Did ICANN approve this?

Folks - please remember the = servers=20 may have been hijacked. ICANN and China may not have been involved. It's = easy to=20 hijack IP numbers. I know some people over in Amsterdam who hijack IP. = It's=20 happened to me.

The problem here irrespective of censorship or = hijacker=20 issues is if more sites were tampered with. Was the condition above only = restricted to facebook.com or is it = possible=20 other web sites have been compromised. Banks, Governments, finance = companies,=20 credit cards etc. etc. etc. We probably won't ever know. People would = just=20 notice a slower response time on the web because of the proxy in = between. This=20 proxy site at 46.82.174.68 and 59.24.3.173 would collect = the users=20 personal information for whatever domain was being = intercepted.

Whomever=20 the root hijacker is they are behind the proxy sites that were running = at IPv4=20 addresses 46.82.174.68 and 59.24.3.173. = 46.82.174.68=20 looks like an unallocated block at RIPE and 59.24.3.173 = allocated=20 to KT Corporation in Korea. The companies website looks like a social = networking=20 site. So either they were somehow involved as network providers to the = China=20 ICANN censorship conspiracy or their routing was = hacked.

So=20 if this was not an ICANN China conspiracy to test the DNS - then I would = be very=20 worried right now because millions of facebook user accounts could be=20 compromised.

And I hate to rub everyones nose in it - but if this = in fact=20 did happen and facebook users were redirected - then it proves my point. = To be=20 secure one should operate their own root servers.

 

Is=20 this the start to the end of DNS?  Implementing censorship=20 occurs
 more aggressively as western countries embrace what = was=20 previously
frowned on as totalitarian giving countries that already = embrace
censorship a justifiable position in more extreme=20 censorship.

If root nodes are compromised to the point that = they=20 redirect
queries to false sites then any trust in DNS is = lost.

I=20 call on everyone here to support a declaration that:
"No censorship = can be=20 tolerated within the root servers."
and that this supported = declaration be=20 forwarded to the ICANN board
that they may press China to chose = another way=20 to achieve their
internal polices than polluting a global shared=20 resource.

I trust that this is such a minimalist statement that = it can=20 receive
unanimous support within the general assembly.  My = personal=20 views on
censorship would like to make a much broader statement but = without
this minimal simplistic position for root server trust, I = feel=20 that
there can be no functioning name system.


Yes - you are absolutely right in all of your concerns and Rod=20 Beckstrom has to give us some hard answers.

This may very well be = the=20 final nail in ICANNs coffin.  This is also a serious wake up call = to=20 governments world wide. If governments want to guarantee their people = and=20 infrastructure is secure then they have to kiss the thirteen ugly root = sisters=20 goodbye and run their own root infrastructure or run the risk that some = other=20 government or hacker kid can cause havoc to your=20 networks.

P.S. There is a less technical description = of what=20 happened at http://bit.ly/bZbkB1

regards
= joe=20 baptista
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CACE02.AAD4A700-- From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Tue Apr 06 20:56:39 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NzKVT-0002V8-BS for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:56:39 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1270605397-69ce00000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 7DBA15080E for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 20:56:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id dU9tIprkdBGwrj16 for ; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:56:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1NzKm2-0003JW-Uj; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:13:46 -0500 Message-ID: <329311E732164F758CAF89B024AA1B4F@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: References: <680732.67301.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BBBB92B.9050209@pccf.net> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [ga] I challenge John Palmer to a dual .. Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 20:56:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_058E_01CAD5CB.96A5B500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1270605398 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] I challenge John Palmer to a dual .. X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:56:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_058E_01CAD5CB.96A5B500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The tax issues that Herman was involved in had nothing to do with the = INAIC and were in the past. How about the warrant that is still out for your arrest in Holland, Joe? = For=20 stealing bycicles, wasn't it.=20 Also for slander. Its a criminal offense over there. You called someone = a child molester, wasn't that it? Anyways - I'm going to stop posting on this list. There is a list set up = for all of the victims of Joes offenses. We'll continue this over there. http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses Cheers, John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Baptista=20 To: ga@gnso.icann.org=20 Cc: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net ; peter@pccf.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [ga] I challenge John Palmer to a dual .. Comments below ... On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Peter Dambier wrote: John Palmer wrote: > Almost everything that Joe has stated below is either a flat out = lie or > has not been born out by proof after much trying. If people were = involved > in scams, the police would arrest them. Do you think that the = police would > just let people run scams like Joe is claiming? Of course not. > ------=_NextPart_000_058E_01CAD5CB.96A5B500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The tax issues that Herman was involved = in had=20 nothing to do with the INAIC
and were in the past.
 
How about the warrant that is still out = for your=20 arrest in Holland, Joe? For
stealing bycicles, wasn't it. =
 
Also for slander. Its a criminal = offense over=20 there. You called someone a child
molester, wasn't that it?
 
Anyways - I'm going to stop posting on = this list.=20 There is a list set up for all
of the victims of Joes offenses. We'll = continue=20 this over there.
 
http= ://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses
 
Cheers,
John
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Baptista
Cc: jpalmer@american-webmaste= rs.net=20 ; peter@pccf.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 = 8:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] I challenge = John Palmer=20 to a dual ..

Comments below ...

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Peter Dambier = <peter@pccf.net> wrote:

John Palmer wrote:
> Almost everything that Joe has = stated=20 below is either a flat out lie or
> has not been born out by = proof=20 after much trying. If people were  involved
> in scams, = the=20 police would arrest them. Do you think that the police would
> = just=20 let people run scams like Joe is claiming? Of course=20 = not.
>

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To: ga@gnso.icann.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-280151441-1270618514=:47561" X-Barracuda-Connect: web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[68.180.199.33] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1270618519 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] YES Virgina - there is a monitor on the GA, and rules .... X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 05:35:20 -0000 --0-280151441-1270618514=:47561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh how perfect, icann list in control of kookie joe. Why dont I think that this suprizes me at all and how apropriet that icann, the discredited oganization would finally turn the levers over to Joe. Now I have seen all of the stuff in the world, but I am not in shock that this has conspired, strange enough. This should be the last of the nails in icanns pine box. Now for the gravesdigger to excevate the hold and bury the cropse. If only we could wish that icann were that dead and helpless to steal all of the other busnesses tlds. Sadly, I think that they are not and still have a bite in them, no thanks to crackpot joe. But then if you think on it for a time, why its more proof that joe is paid shell of icann, they are all one large happy family. Joe calls Herman a crook , but then how dishonest and corrupt and traitory is joe for how he stabbed in the back all of the hard working tld communities, not just across the seas, but on the whole globe intirely. Now this is non controversial evedince that he is a trator to the I.N.S. So then joe, can you at least tell all of the victums of your treson how much silvers you got paid? Dont we at least get to know how many dollars you get rich in order to destroy the hopes and dreams of a name space free from icann monply rulings and theifing of our tlds? Cmon joe, can we at least have this knowlege as crums now that our busineses are abliterated by you? Thoms ps Ill post this to the offenses list as well, but if there is conversation over there that should be knowing to the ga people, Ill put a link on the ga list to the proper posting arcives on baptista-offenses. BAX! Names Allentown http://www.bax-names-allentown.com Computer setup, training, software and services Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD. ________________________________ From: Joe Baptista To: John Palmer Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 10:54:39 PM Subject: [ga] YES Virgina - there is a monitor on the GA, and rules .... I am monitor and Hugh Dierker is the Chair. We don't know if we have the power to enforce the rules since Debbie Garfield, Garside (?) and ICANN did the tango. I guess like ICANN were a legacy appendage. If you would like an answer please direct your question to ICANN staff or the high flying fighting Ombudsman. Cheers Joe Baptista On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:48 AM, John Palmer wrote: > > > > > >This is getting tiresome. Joe has been told many >times that Karl Peters has verified that Tom and I are two >different people. Joe continues to create this >fiction because it suits his purpose, which is, as far as I can >tell, to disrupt communities that are trying to >actually create solutions. > >So, if there are no moderators anymore, let me >issue a THREAD STOP. > >Please.stop.threat.thx. >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Joe >> Baptista >>To: abel wisman >>Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org >>Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:39 >> AM >>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment >> with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the >> I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root >> servers) >> >>The bad spelling from Thomas Baxter (a.k.a. John Palmer) is >> intentional. Some time back Mr. Palmer told us his alternate personality had a >> very heavy Slavic accent. So I guess to keep up the pretense the bad spelling >> is an attempt at an ASCII version of a Slavic accent. >> >>Now we could stop >> this nonsense immediately if the GA rules were enforced. But considering what >> happened here some time ago in which the rules were abused by ICANN staff I >> have very little hope of that. But we can try. Your welcomed to make a >> complaint to the Chair if you wish. >> >>kindest regards >>joe >> baptista >> >> >>On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:10 AM, abel wisman >> wrote: >> >>If you have to send all this nonsense >>> to this maillist, can you please have the common decency to use a >>> spell-checker and not use words that you have no clue on how to spell to >>> begin with? >>> >>>Best of course woule be if you refrained from posting any >>> of this rubbish. >>> >>> ________________________________ From: >>>WHY SHOULD ANY PERSON TRUST ANY INFORMATION YOU SAY, JOE >>> INCLUDING YOUR PARA NOID RAVINGS >>>REGARDING HERMAN >>> XENT????????????????? >>> >>>The way a lot of persons see the issue re >>> Europe in around 2005 is that you did a deliberate sabatage when >>>it >>> looked like I.N.S. would actually succeed and you know the whole industry >>> died off after your stabbed it >>>around the heart. >>> >>>Sorry crackpott, >>> but very few people think that this is only by accident. >>> >>>I think >>> (and do do many peoples and companies, including some sovern goverments) >>> that you did this >>>on purpose to kill the chances of competition for >>> icann are the person that does not have much credibles. >>> >>>I think you >>> are paid from icann. You dont seem to have more visible supports and live >>> with street people in >>>a po dunk town in Ontaio. You called Karl a >>> welfare bumb once - but what are you but even worse because >>>at least Karl >>> is an honest religion person with a nice family who tries hard. >>> >>>You, >>> you are just a sell-off and trator. >>> >>>Sorry that the facts are pain, >>> but there it is and all readers of experince know this to be >>> real. >>> >>>Thoms. >>> >>> BAX! Names Allentown >>>http://www.bax-names-allentown.com >>>Computer >>> setup, training, software and services >>>Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web >>> email under the BAX TLD. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Joe Baptista >>>To: Thomas Baxter >>>Cc: POST-TO GNSO LIST >>>Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 10:23:48 >>> PM >>>Subject: Re: OT: another >>> moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive >>> aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] >>> censorship among root servers) >>> >>>Dear Mr. John Palmer a.k.a. >>> Thomas Baxter: >>> >>>I think it's an innovative approach sliming me while >>> you market your services - but let's try to remain focused here. Your trying >>> to sell people on using your "free" root services. My only question is - why >>> should anyone trust you John Palmer or your alternate personality Thomas >>> Baxter to provide them with DNS services? >>> >>>I would trust OpenDNS >>> and even some of the OpenNIC servers for DNS. But I would never trust a man >>> like John Palmer who leaves me psychotic messages http://bit.ly/5KxboD >>> ??? >>> >>>The provisioning of public DNS services "free" or "pay" is >>> all about trust. Would you not agree Mr. Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter. So >>> once again I ask a simple question. Why should we trust >>> you? >>> >>>regards >>>joe baptista >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Baxter wrote: >>> >>>I >>>> dont see selling any root services here - the serverces are free to anyone >>>> >>>>if they want to just change their dns settings in their >>>> computer. >>>> >>>>You can get access to stuff you dont have now >>>> like the http://lion-mail.net which offers spam >>>> free >>>>private e mail and looks like you can win a new >>>> apple i pad by June 30 too. >>>> >>>>This is one benefit that the I.N.S. >>>> should publisize - because not many people have >>>>changed the dns >>>> settings, spammers cant get spams to your I.N.S. email addies. >>>> >>>>But >>>> Joe, you are probably paid from icann to sabatage the I.N.S. This is true >>>> or >>>>you are sychotic, one of the two must be true. So you shouldnt >>>> throw rocks >>>>at people who tried to make stuff work, like John and >>>> Bradley and Herman Xennt. >>>> >>>>As much as I can tell, you have never >>>> created any values at all, all I see from reviewing >>>>your posting on the >>>> internet from day zero is destruction from you. >>>> >>>>Show us all what >>>> you have built in the I.N.S. - (I can hear crickets >>>> chirpping...). >>>> >>>>Thoms. >>>> >>>> BAX! Names Allentown >>>>http://www.bax-names-allentown.com >>>>Computer >>>> setup, training, software and services >>>>Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web >>>> email under the BAX TLD. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ From: Joe Baptista >>>>To: Thomas Baxter >>>>Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org >>>>Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 7:16:28 >>>> AM >>>>Subject: Re: OT - a >>>> moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root >>>> servers >>>> >>>>I'm not the one selling root services here. You and >>>> your primary personality Mr. Palmer are the ones using this forum to sell >>>> root services. So I ask you again the question you have avoided answering >>>> - why should we trust you Mr. Palmer? >>>> >>>>regards >>>>joe >>>> baptista >>>> >>>> >>>>On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Thomas Baxter >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>Oh, >>>>> so you have better root to use, then - please let us all know the ips of >>>>> the servers and we >>>>>will look in at it and see how much better. Oh, >>>>> dont waste your time with recomending ICANN roots. t >>>>>They are leaving >>>>> out 90 percents of the TLDs >>>>> >>>>> BAX! Names Allentown >>>>>http://www.bax-names-allentown.com >>>>>Computer >>>>> setup, training, software and services >>>>>Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free >>>>> web email under the BAX TLD. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ From: Joe Baptista >>>>>To: John Palmer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org >>>>>Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 7:43:10 >>>>> AM >>>>>Subject: OT - a >>>>> moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root >>>>>servers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Just to repeat my warning. Anyone willing to hand over >>>>> resolution to WorldRoot or INAIC (a.k.a. Public-Root) is playing with >>>>> fire. >>>>> >>>>>Once again John I ask you the questions I asked earlier. >>>>> Why should we trust you or Herman and his posse to provide us with DNS >>>>> service? >>>>> >>>>>Incidentally - who is this Herman chap. Does Herman have >>>>> a full name :) >>>>> >>>>>John I ask you to remain focused on the >>>>> discussion. More discussion on the topic and less advertisements if you >>>>> don't mind. >>>>> >>>>>cheers >>>>>joe baptista >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:30 PM, John Palmer >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>This is what happens when you rely on one >>>>>> root server network. This kind of thing is bound to happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>If you were using >>>>>> WorldRoot (http://worldroot.net) or PublicRoot (http://www.public-root.com), you >>>>>> would >>>>>>not be having so many >>>>>> problems. >>>>>> >>>>>>My posse and I and Herman and his group >>>>>> of engineers have been providing alternatives for years, >>>>>>in spite of Joe's best efforts to destroy >>>>>> our work. >>>>>> >>>>>>We're still here. >>>>>> >>>>>>Our roots are still >>>>>> available. >>>>>> >>>>>>And we have many more TLDs than >>>>>> ICANN. >>>>>> >>>>>>Try lion-mail.net yet? You should. Works >>>>>> like a charm. >>>>>> >>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>>John >>>>>>----- >>>>>>> Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: Joe >>>>>>> Baptista >>>>>>>To: Hugh Dierker >>>>>>>Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org ; Andrew McMeikan ; Rod Beckstrom >>>>>>>Sent: >>>>>>> Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:41 PM >>>>>>>Subject: >>>>>>> Re: [ga] censorship among root servers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Hugh Dierker >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Andy, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Is it possible that this censorship and suppression of >>>>>>>> the people is a good thing for the rest of us? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hugh - we don't yet know what happened. And ICANN has been >>>>>>> silent. It could be anyone behind this. I have seen some supporting >>>>>>> evidence claiming it was the Chinese. But I won't put much reliance >>>>>>> on that evidence. The claim is that a gateway in China did this. We >>>>>>> know the Chinese run their own root independent of ICANN. Maybe this >>>>>>> was just an accident and a faulty gateway leaked the China DNS. It >>>>>>> could be >>>>>>> anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium ---------------------------------------------------------------- The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 Personal: http://baptista.cynikal.net/ --0-280151441-1270618514=:47561 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Oh how perfect, icann list in control of kookie joe. Why dont I think that this suprizes me at all and how apropriet that icann,
the discredited oganization would finally turn the levers over to Joe. Now I have seen all of the stuff in the world, but I am not
in shock that this has conspired, strange enough.

This should  be the last of the nails in icanns pine box. Now for the gravesdigger to excevate the hold and bury the cropse.
If only we could wish that icann were that dead and helpless to steal all of the other busnesses tlds.  Sadly, I think that
they are not and still have a bite in them, no thanks to crackpot joe.

But then if you think on it for a time, why its more proof that joe is paid shell of icann, they are all one large happy family.

Joe calls Herman a crook , but then how dishonest and corrupt and traitory is joe for how he stabbed in the back all
of the hard working tld communities, not just across the seas, but on the whole globe intirely. Now this is non
controversial evedince that he is a trator to the I.N.S.

So then joe, can you at least tell all of the victums of your treson how much silvers you got paid? Dont we at least get
to know how many dollars you get rich in order to destroy the hopes and dreams of a name space free from icann monply
rulings and theifing of our tlds?

Cmon joe, can we at least have this knowlege as crums now that our busineses are abliterated by you?

Thoms

ps Ill post this to the offenses list as well, but if there is conversation over there that should be knowing to the
ga people, Ill put a link on the ga list to the proper posting arcives on baptista-offenses.
 
BAX! Names Allentown
http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
Computer setup, training, software and services
Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.


From: Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org>
To: John Palmer <jpalmer@american-webmasters.net>
Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org
Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 10:54:39 PM
Subject: [ga] YES Virgina - there is a monitor on the GA, and rules ....

I am monitor and Hugh Dierker is the Chair. We don't know if we have the power to enforce the rules since Debbie Garfield, Garside (?) and ICANN did the tango. I guess like ICANN were a legacy appendage.

If you would like an answer please direct your question to ICANN staff or the high flying fighting Ombudsman.

Cheers
Joe Baptista

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:48 AM, John Palmer <jpalmer@american-webmasters.net> wrote:
This is getting tiresome. Joe has been told many times that Karl Peters has verified that Tom and I are two
different people. Joe continues to create this fiction because it suits his purpose, which is, as far as I can
tell, to disrupt communities that are trying to actually create solutions.
 
So, if there are no moderators anymore, let me issue a THREAD STOP.
 
Please.stop.threat.thx.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Baptista
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)

The bad spelling from Thomas Baxter (a.k.a. John Palmer) is intentional. Some time back Mr. Palmer told us his alternate personality had a very heavy Slavic accent. So I guess to keep up the pretense the bad spelling is an attempt at an ASCII version of a Slavic accent.

Now we could stop this nonsense immediately if the GA rules were enforced. But considering what happened here some time ago in which the rules were abused by ICANN staff I have very little hope of that. But we can try. Your welcomed to make a complaint to the Chair if you wish.

kindest regards
joe baptista

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:10 AM, abel wisman <abel@able-towers.com> wrote:

If you have to send all this nonsense to this maillist, can you please have the common decency to use a spell-checker and not use words that you have no clue on how to spell to begin with?

Best of course woule be if you refrained from posting any of this rubbish.

From:
WHY SHOULD ANY PERSON TRUST ANY INFORMATION YOU SAY, JOE INCLUDING YOUR PARA NOID RAVINGS
REGARDING HERMAN XENT?????????????????

The way a lot of persons see the issue re Europe in around 2005 is that you did a deliberate sabatage when
it looked like I.N.S. would actually succeed and you know the whole industry died off after your stabbed it
around the heart.

Sorry crackpott, but very few people think that this is only by accident.

I think (and do do many peoples and companies, including some sovern goverments) that you did this
on purpose to kill the chances of competition for icann are the person that does not have much credibles.

I think you are paid from icann. You dont seem to have more visible supports and live with street people in
a po dunk town in Ontaio. You called Karl a welfare bumb once - but what are you but even worse because
at least Karl is an honest religion person with a nice family who tries hard.

You, you are just a sell-off and trator.

Sorry that the facts are pain, but there it is and all readers of experince know this to be real.

Thoms.
BAX! Names Allentown
http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
Computer setup, training, software and services
Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.


From: Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org>
To: Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@yahoo.com>
Cc: POST-TO GNSO LIST <ga@gnso.icann.org>
Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 10:23:48 PM
Subject: Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)

Dear Mr. John Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter:

I think it's an innovative approach sliming me while you market your services - but let's try to remain focused here. Your trying to sell people on using your "free" root services. My only question is - why should anyone trust you John Palmer or your alternate personality Thomas Baxter to provide them with DNS services?

I would trust OpenDNS and even some of the OpenNIC servers for DNS. But I would never trust a man like John Palmer who leaves me psychotic messages http://bit.ly/5KxboD ???

The provisioning of public DNS services "free" or "pay" is all about trust. Would you not agree Mr. Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter. So once again I ask a simple question. Why should we trust you?

regards
joe baptista

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@yahoo.com> wrote:
I dont see selling any root services here - the serverces are free to anyone
if they want to just change their dns settings in their computer.

You can get access to stuff you dont have now like the http://lion-mail.net which offers spam free
private e mail and looks like you can win a new apple i pad by June 30 too.

This is one benefit that the I.N.S. should publisize - because not many people have
changed the dns settings, spammers cant get spams to your I.N.S. email addies.

But Joe, you are probably paid from icann to sabatage the I.N.S. This is true or
you are sychotic, one of the two must be true.  So you shouldnt throw rocks
at people who tried to make stuff work, like John and Bradley and Herman Xennt.

As much as I can tell, you have never created any values at all, all I see from reviewing
your posting on the internet from day zero is destruction from you.

Show us all what you have built in the I.N.S.  - (I can hear crickets chirpping...).

Thoms.
 
BAX! Names Allentown
http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
Computer setup, training, software and services
Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.


From: Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org>
To: Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@yahoo.com>
Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 7:16:28 AM
Subject: Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers

I'm not the one selling root services here. You and your primary personality Mr. Palmer are the ones using this forum to sell root services. So I ask you again the question you have avoided answering - why should we trust you Mr. Palmer?

regards
joe baptista

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@yahoo.com> wrote:
Oh, so you have better root to use, then - please let us all know the ips of the servers and we
will look in at it and see how much better. Oh, dont waste your time with recomending ICANN roots. t
They are leaving out 90 percents of the TLDs
 
BAX! Names Allentown
http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
Computer setup, training, software and services
Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.


From: Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org>
To: John Palmer <jpalmer@american-webmasters.net> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 7:43:10 AM
Subject: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers

Just to repeat my warning. Anyone willing to hand over resolution to WorldRoot or INAIC (a.k.a. Public-Root) is playing with fire.

Once again John I ask you the questions I asked earlier. Why should we trust you or Herman and his posse to provide us with DNS service?

Incidentally - who is this Herman chap. Does Herman have a full name :)

John I ask you to remain focused on the discussion. More discussion on the topic and less advertisements if you don't mind.

cheers
joe baptista

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:30 PM, John Palmer <jpalmer@american-webmasters.net> wrote:
This is what happens when you rely on one root server network. This kind of thing is bound to happen.
 
If you were using WorldRoot (http://worldroot.net) or PublicRoot (http://www.public-root.com), you would
not be having so many problems.
 
My posse and I and Herman and his group of engineers have been providing alternatives for years,
in spite of Joe's best efforts to destroy our work.
 
We're still here.
 
Our roots are still available.
 
And we have many more TLDs than ICANN.
 
Try lion-mail.net yet? You should. Works like a charm.
 
Cheers,
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Baptista
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] censorship among root servers



On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@yahoo.com> wrote:
Andy,
 
Is it possible that this censorship and suppression of the people is a good thing for the rest of us? 

Hugh - we don't yet know what happened. And ICANN has been silent. It could be anyone behind this. I have seen some supporting evidence claiming it was the Chinese. But I won't put much reliance on that evidence. The claim is that a gateway in China did this. We know the Chinese run their own root independent of ICANN. Maybe this was just an accident and a faulty gateway leaked the China DNS. It could be anything.




--
Joe Baptista

www.publicroot.org
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--0-280151441-1270618514=:47561-- From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Wed Apr 07 11:14:54 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NzXu2-0002qn-6s for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:14:54 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1270656893-2c7000000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 949365091B for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:14:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id dfBRGNLbHKvKbJF5 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:14:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1NzYAa-0005Cx-6r for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: <21084C7750EF416C8109AB06998D8563@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Herman has claimed that Joe is lying about the tax charges Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:14:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1270656893 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Herman has claimed that Joe is lying about the tax charges X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:14:54 -0000 I have received word that there is a claim that Joe is lying about the so-called tax evasion charges against Herman Xennt and that, in fact, they are a complete fabrication. Comments? From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Thu Apr 08 01:17:11 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nzl39-0007Iw-N1 for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:17:11 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1270707425-5e5000000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 7193A50A47 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 01:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id mqzHErQZ2tcHNljT for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:17:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1NzlJb-000741-N0; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:34:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: References: <2948BDDB9B83FF41A9871A22178E2ABC03DAEE7702@gaia.e-span.com> <340977.22863.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Problems kick-starting the Inclusive Namespace Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 01:16:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08E2_01CAD6B9.212B2550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1270707430 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Problems kick-starting the Inclusive Namespace X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 06:17:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08E2_01CAD6B9.212B2550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thats not true, Joe, it is lack of financial and political desire. Our = best bet was to get some support from the those who wanted to get out from under ICANN control. We found that in the nation of Turkey and at the same time the large = European ISP Tiscali. Joe was part of this effort and in the summer of 2005, he went to = Holland to work on the project with Herman=20 and when he got there, he tried, like Joe always does, to take over and = boss people around and when they wouldn't let him do so, he turned on them and began his campaign of = slander and lies. This scared the very conservative business types like those in Tiscali = and the govt of Turkey. They perceived they were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos and ran away from the = project.=20 There is it - up in smoke. The one good chance that we had. I'm sure = ICANN was breathing a sigh of relief. Tom thinks Joe is a paid shill for ICANN because he always seems to screw up = the INS just as its about to realize a success. I just think he is a control freak and psychotic whose = attention has unfortunatly been caught by the INS.=20 Thats the long and the short of it. Joe has spent every waking moment = since then in his apartment in Peterborough,=20 Ontario, concatenating files of useless information together to publish = on his website about how everyone else is a crook=20 and he is the savior of the internet. Bottom line: He went to Holland and tried to boss people around and they = wouldn't let him and this is what he does in response to their rebuff. I know Herman Xennt doesn't like to = respond in these kind of fora, but he does monitor. I wish he would come on and give some more first hand = detail of this debacle, but I can understand how was traumatized by Joe's behavior in the past and would = want to avoid an encounter with him in the future. Even I have to back off for awhile every now and = then because it gets to be too much. Folks, if you do any research on Joe, you can see that he's been thrown = off of just about every respectable list on the internet and has been a problem child for what is now going = on to 20 years.=20 As for the TLDA, we are kind of in a dormant state. Karl Peters has = backed away, probably because he is tired of this stuff. Others are struggling with financial difficulties and family = issues now. As I always say, as much as a person can hold out hope, after awhile, if = it looks like there is very little=20 possibility of success, it is very, very hard to find motivation to work = as hard as it would take to make this work out.=20 That being said, the INS does have infrastructure, it is real.=20 We have two RSN, PublicRoot (www.public-root.com), WorldRoot = (www.worldroot.net). There are two SRSs - The Inclusive Namespace Registry System (Mine) and = POSSR (Bradley Thornton's) ADNS still registers domains in about a dozen TLDs (www.adns.net). LionMail (http://lion-mail.net) is the first and (as far as I know) only = web-mail system that operates with e-mail addresses in the INS.=20 Now, there is the prospect that ICANN will steal what we worked for and = give it away to someone else. If I did that with=20 cars, I'd be in prison. Why can ICANN get away with it? That should be what we are talking about. Some of us keep the faith, even though its very lonely. I can tell you = that my registry ops and LionMail COST me money, money that I pay out of my paycheck as a business consultant and software = developer. I do it because I still have faith that=20 somehow, something may work out. One of the things that I will NEVER, = NEVER, NEVER do is to allow Joe to spew his lies about the past, with out answer. Like the holocaust deniers, Joe = commits offenses, destroys lives and businesses and then tries to blame everyone else on what he caused. I will NEVER let those lies go = unanswered. I am younger than Joe, by about 20 years, best I can tell, and my only = solace is that, all things being equal, I'll outlive him, and will have the last word.=20 Cheers, John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Baptista=20 To: Hugh Dierker=20 Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org ; abel wisman=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does = is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a = moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers) On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker = wrote: For instance: It would seem that the failure of the TLDA is a = fine indicator of a lack of political and financial desire that it = exists. =20 Generally the community that supported it has all jumped ship. The = only people left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt posse. However I don't think that represents a lack of political and = financial desire. The lack of interest is not in the TLDA but the people = who control it.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_08E2_01CAD6B9.212B2550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thats not true, Joe, it is lack of = financial and=20 political desire. Our best bet was to get some support
from the those who wanted to get out = from under=20 ICANN control.
 
We found that in the nation of Turkey = and at the=20 same time the large European ISP Tiscali.
 
Joe was part of this effort and in the = summer of=20 2005, he went to Holland to work on the project with Herman =
and when he got there, he tried, like = Joe always=20 does, to take over and boss people around and when
they wouldn't let him do so, he turned = on them and=20 began his campaign of slander and lies.
 
This scared the very conservative = business types=20 like those in Tiscali and the govt of Turkey. They perceived = they
were dealing with a bunch of squabbling = weirdos and=20 ran away from the project.
 
There is it - up in smoke. The one good = chance that=20 we had. I'm sure ICANN was breathing a sigh of relief. Tom
thinks Joe is a paid shill for ICANN = because he=20 always seems to screw up the INS just as its about to = realize
a success. I just think he is a control = freak and=20 psychotic whose attention has unfortunatly been caught by
the INS.
 
Thats the long and the short of it. Joe = has spent=20 every waking moment since then in his apartment in Peterborough, =
Ontario, concatenating files of useless = information=20 together to publish on his website about how everyone else is a crook=20
and he is the savior of the = internet.
 
Bottom line: He went to Holland and = tried to boss=20 people around and they wouldn't let him and this is what
he does in response to their rebuff. I = know Herman=20 Xennt doesn't like to respond in these kind of fora, but
he does monitor. I wish he would come = on and give=20 some more first hand detail of this debacle, but I can
understand how was traumatized by Joe's = behavior in=20 the past and would want to avoid an encounter with
him in the future.  Even I have to = back off=20 for awhile every now and then because it gets to be too = much.
 
Folks, if you do any research on Joe, = you can see=20 that he's been thrown off of just about every respectable
list on the internet and has been a = problem child=20 for what is now going on to 20 years.
 
As for the TLDA, we are kind of in a = dormant state.=20 Karl Peters has backed away, probably because he is tired = of
this stuff. Others are struggling with = financial=20 difficulties and family issues now.
 
As I always say, as much as a person = can hold out=20 hope, after awhile, if it looks like there is very little
possibility of success, it is very, = very hard to=20 find motivation to work as hard as it would take to make = this
work out.
 
That being said, the INS does have = infrastructure, it is real.
 
We have two RSN, PublicRoot (www.public-root.com), WorldRoot = (www.worldroot.net).
 
There are two SRSs - The = Inclusive=20 Namespace Registry System (Mine) and POSSR (Bradley=20 Thornton's)
 
ADNS still registers domains in about a = dozen TLDs=20 (www.adns.net).
 
LionMail (http://lion-mail.net) is the first and = (as far=20 as I know) only web-mail system that operates with e-mail addresses in = the INS.=20
 
Now, there is the prospect that ICANN = will steal=20 what we worked for and give it away to someone else. If I did that with=20
cars, I'd be in prison. Why can ICANN = get away with=20 it?
 
That should be what we are talking=20 about.
 
Some of us keep the faith, even though = its very=20 lonely. I can tell you that my registry ops and LionMail COST me money,=20 money
that I pay out of my paycheck as a = business=20 consultant and software developer. I do it because I still have faith = that=20
somehow, something may work out. One of = the things=20 that I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do is to allow Joe to spew = his
lies about the past, with out answer. =  Like=20 the holocaust deniers, Joe commits offenses, destroys lives and = businesses and=20 then tries to
blame everyone else on what he caused. = I will NEVER=20 let those lies go unanswered.
 
I am younger than Joe, by about 20 = years, best I=20 can tell, and my only solace is that, all things being equal, = I'll
outlive him, and will have the last = word.=20
 
Cheers,
John
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Baptista
Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org ; abel = wisman=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 = 11:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: OT: = another moment=20 with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive = aspects in the=20 I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship = among root=20 servers)



On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker = <hdierker2204@yahoo.com>=20 wrote:
 
For instance:  It would seem that the failure of the = TLDA is=20 a fine indicator of a lack of political and financial desire = that it=20 exists. 

Generally the community that supported it has all jumped = ship. The=20 only people left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt = posse.

However I=20 don't think that represents a lack of political and financial desire. = The lack=20 of interest is not in the TLDA but the people who control it.=20
------=_NextPart_000_08E2_01CAD6B9.212B2550-- From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Tue Apr 13 14:42:46 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O1m0U-0001D5-NS for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:42:46 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1271187764-5fc200000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 949AF51610 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:42:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id yul3vn5buTal1kR7 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:42:44 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1O1mGp-0001Il-NM; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:59:39 -0500 Message-ID: X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: "Joe Baptista" , References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: The ICANN / INAIC scandal (you mean Joe drags in) drags in the Gymnasium Querfurt high school again - Palmer investigates (Palmer corrects joes lies and slander) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:41:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011F_01CADB17.77F24FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1271187765 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET, public@lists.tldainc.org Subject: [Baptista-offenses] The ICANN / INAIC scandal (you mean Joe drags in) drags in the Gymnasium Querfurt high school again - Palmer investigates (Palmer corrects joes lies and slander) X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:42:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01CADB17.77F24FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe is correct - I am investigating.=20 It appears so far that this student, Christopher Mettin is an = entrepeneur who has created a=20 TLD registry that is part of Public-Root. This is located at: http://tld.gqbc-online.com/index.htm This is not a fraud or a crime. If INAIC is in violation of any laws or = registration requirements, then Joe should report them to the proper authorities. Oh wait, he does = that all of the time and lo and behold, the matter falls into a black hole. Translation: Joe's vendettas against people are of no concern to law = enforcement. They regularily toss his complaints into the trash. His claim is that they are feckless and = harried by other crimes and "Oh, they just don't have enough time to investigate". Nonsense. If half of Joe's claims were true, many people would be fined = or in prison. Yet, no one has been arrested or convicted of anything.=20 Oh, and by the way, the website listed above is STILL ONLINE and = operating today? How can this be, if its such a=20 horrible fraud? I'm sure the German police would have stopped this = student if he was committing a crime - right? Of course, the answer really is that this is a very smart young man who = is starting a business of his own and is doing nothing wrong.=20 Joe's web page on this matter = (http://baptista.cynikal.net/gqnet/news-item.html) is full of lies, = distortions and slander. Let me list these: Joe claims that the principal of Gymnasium Querfurt said that the = student would be "punished" for some "wrong-doing". I see no mention of any wrong-doing, except perhaps that he did not make it clear enough = that his website was not the official school website.=20 The principal mentions some "trouble caused to Joe by the student", but = there is no mention of what this is. My guess: Joe invented some vague complaint and, as he always does, puts on an air of = authority, making some claim that he has=20 some rights to speak for the namespace community. The principal probably = took him at his word and thought he was apologizing to some representative of a large group of people. Joe is NO = SUCH THING.=20 On Joe's Querfurt news page, he makes some reference to the student = contacting ARIN for something. First of all, ARIN has no authority in Europe - RIPE is the RIR for Europe. Secondly, as Joe = often does, he provides NO proof of any such contact.=20 You would think that if Joe had any evidence of this, he would not = hesitate to post it on this page, but its not there. Why? Probably because it is all a lie. Joe can clear this up by presenting such = evidence of a fraudulent contact between this student and ARIN. Now, lets look at the myriad of lies and distortions in the September = 21, 2009 section of Joe's Querfurt "news" page. In this he states: "German high school students at the Gymnasium = Querfurt are the recent victims of a Top-Level Domain (TLD) sales scam = run by Dutch con artist Herman Xennt. Herman known to the Netherlands = police is a convicted felon who was arrested for drug trafficking and = tax evasion." Lets take this apart: 1. German High School students were NOT victims of a recent Top-Level = Domain sales scam. INAIC is a legitimate business with many paying = customers. If it was a scam, it would have been reported and shut down = by the Dutch authorities. Joes claim that the police are simply "too busy" all of the time, is nonsense. 2. Joe calls Herman Xennt a "con artist". Show me convictions for fraud = that Herman has. There aren't any.=20 3. Herman is not a convicted felon, that I can tell. I have asked for = official copies of any such court papers and=20 Joe has refused to provide them.=20 4. Some folks were living at the Cyberbunker (Not Xennt) and were = running an XTC lab and it caught fire. They arrested everyone there including Herman. The subsequent police investigation found that = Herman WAS NOT involved in any way in this drug lab and he was RELEASED. Joe doesn't tell you that, does he? 5. Finally, this section finishes up with one of the old Baptista saws: = "Tax evasion". Again, Joe WHERE ARE THE COURT RECORDS? In the next section, Joe hallucinates: "The school joins an impressive list of organizations on the INAIC = victims list. Both the Government of Turkey and SITA (Societe = Internationale de Telecommunications Aeronautique) participated in = marketing stolen property through INAIC. In these cases the intellectual = property rights to top-level domains sold by INAIC are part of a = commercial fraud involving former partners of Herman Xennt and the Top = Level Domain Association, another front for the organization." Lets see: 1. The school was not a victim of anyone, including INAIC. 2. Turkey and SITA were victims alright - of Joe. In 2005, after Herman = and others would not let him run the show, he set out to destroy the = effort and as part of this effort, he threatened and insulted people in the Turkish = govt and SITA (as well as those at Tiscali and others) into dropping = their support for the project. You can see one of his accusations against his victims = here, that they participated in "marketing stolen property" - in the US = you can be sued into poverty for making those kinds of false claims. 3. What does the TLDA have to do with any of this? I'll tell you what - = the TLDA IS A VICTIM, again, a victim of Joe Baptista. As a founding = member and=20 officer of the TLDA, I can tell you that Joe has done nothing but try to = destroy our organization. As we began to accomplish things, Joe misused = our public e-mail lists to further his mad vendetta against Herman and Co. = It got so bad that we finally banished him from the lists. Joe would = regularily insult our members, including calling Karl Peters a "welfare bum" and insulting = his family. He did similar things to Bradley Thornton, one of our other = active members. This actually led to a loss of credibility for the TLDA since all the = public saw when they looked in on us was Joe attacking and everyone else = trying to=20 defend themselves against his vile actions. The next section of the website may contain some kernel of truth. It = appears that INAIC has confused Christopher's gqbc-online.de=20 with an official school project. According to the school principal, this = is not the case. This error should be corrected asap. Funny thing is, that later in the new pages, Joe states: "Christopher Mettin the schools 18 year old student network = administrator runs the GQnet student project for the Gymnasium = Querfurt." Joe, wait a moment - you just said that GQNet is being misrepresented as = official school page, now you are claiming that it is official? Which is is, Joe? Joe concludes the Querfurt news section by complaining about = incorporation of INAIC. As stated before, it is probably illegal in Holland to run a business that is not legitimate and if so = many people were being defrauded, the Dutch authorities would have closed down this business a long time ago. Why haven't they? Could = it be that INAIC is a legitimate business? You judge for yourself. : http://www.inaic.com Conclusion: This "news" page is just another one of Joe's attempts to = tar people who would not kow-tow to his demands. Joe has a need to have people consider him a "wise internet guru" and demands = that they all sit at his feet and respect his "wisdom". He has falsly claimed that he is a "representative" of the "public root" or = otherwise represents the interest of some unknown TLD holders and others, yet no one of substance has ever come forward saying that = they cede that role to him. Anyone who dares to question his authority or go against him will be on the receiving end of his = wrath. He will launch an intense vendetta against that person or persons and will attempt to recruit others into this effort. This is = what happened with the TLDA in the last 3 years - he attempted to use the legitimacy of the TLDA as a weapon in his vendetta against = Herman Xennt and as a result, almost destroyed it. When those he tries to recruit show hesitation to join the cause, he adds them to = his list of "enemies" and attacks them as well. This is evident in his attacks against Karl Peters, the Chairman of the TLDA board. When = Karl asked him to calm down and refused to kow-tow to him, Joe called Karl a "welfare bum" and insulted Karl's family. A = similar fate befell Bradley Thornton as well. What Joe did in 2005 was to destroy a business opportunity that would = have benefitted thousands of organizations and would have been a credible alternative to the monopoly of ICANN. Everyone should = realize what damage this psychotic has caused. The reason that I keep harping on this is that I am determined that he not be able = to cause any further damage to people. Education and information about what he is will go along way towards mitigating future damage.=20 Thats why I have the list = http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses online - as = a repository for all of the information regarding Joe's antics. Anyone with information on his antics that is not = currently on that list, feel free to join the list and post it. My conclusion, until and unless other facts are presented: There was NO = SCANDAL involving the Gymnasium Querfurt or Christopher=20 Mettin. This student is simply an entrepeneur that has started a small = business and I wish him well and am so sorry that he has become a pawn in the psychosis of Joe Baptista. For the most part, the = stuff on Joe's Querfurt news page is misleading, omissive and in places, a flat out lie.=20 Thanks for your patience while I investigated. If you have any questions, please contact me. Cheers, John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Baptista=20 To: ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: [ga] The ICANN / INAIC scandal drags in the Gymnasium = Querfurt high school again - Palmer investigates It has just come to my attention John Palmer is investigating the = Gymnasium Querfurt scandal - http://bit.ly/5AEP1w - expect more = insightful comments to come this way. cheers joe baptista ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01CADB17.77F24FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe is correct - I am = investigating.=20
 
It appears so far that this student, = Christopher=20 Mettin is an entrepeneur who has created a
TLD registry that is part of=20 Public-Root.
 
This is located at: http://tld.gqbc-online.com/= index.htm
 
This is not a fraud or a crime. If = INAIC is in=20 violation of any laws or registration requirements,
then Joe should report them to the = proper=20 authorities. Oh wait, he does that all of the time and
lo and behold, the matter falls into a = black=20 hole.
 
Translation: Joe's vendettas against = people are of=20 no concern to law enforcement. They regularily toss
his complaints into the trash. His = claim is that=20 they are feckless and harried by other crimes and "Oh, they
just don't have enough time to=20 investigate".
 
Nonsense.  If half of Joe's claims = were true,=20 many people would be fined or in prison. Yet, no one has been=20 arrested
or convicted of anything.
 
Oh, and by the way, the website listed = above is=20 STILL ONLINE and operating today? How can this be, if its such a =
horrible fraud? I'm sure the German = police would=20 have stopped this student if he was committing a crime - = right?
 
Of course, the answer really is that = this is a very=20 smart young man who is starting a business of his own and = is
doing nothing wrong.
 
Joe's web page on this matter (http://baptista= .cynikal.net/gqnet/news-item.html)=20 is full of lies, distortions and slander. Let me list
these:
 
Joe claims that the principal of = Gymnasium Querfurt=20 said that the student would be "punished" for some "wrong-doing". I see = no=20 mention of
any wrong-doing, except perhaps that he = did not=20 make it clear enough that his website was not the official school = website.=20
The principal mentions some "trouble = caused to Joe=20 by the student", but there is no mention of what this is. My guess:=20 Joe
invented some vague complaint and, as = he always=20 does, puts on an air of authority, making some claim that he has =
some rights to speak for the namespace = community.=20 The principal probably took him at his word and thought he = was
apologizing to some representative of a = large group=20 of people. Joe is NO SUCH THING.
 
On Joe's Querfurt news page, he makes = some=20 reference to the student contacting ARIN for something. First of all, = ARIN=20 has
no authority in Europe - RIPE is the = RIR for=20 Europe. Secondly, as Joe often does, he provides NO proof of any such = contact.=20
You would think that if Joe had any = evidence of=20 this, he would not hesitate to post it on this page, but its not there. = Why?=20 Probably
because it is all a lie. Joe can clear = this up by=20 presenting such evidence of a fraudulent contact between this student = and=20 ARIN.
 
Now, lets look at the myriad of lies = and=20 distortions in the September 21, 2009 section of Joe's Querfurt "news"=20 page.
 
In this he states: "German high school students at the Gymnasium Querfurt are the = recent=20 victims of a Top-Level Domain (TLD) sales scam run by Dutch con artist = Herman=20 Xennt. Herman known = to the=20 Netherlands police is a convicted felon who was arrested for drug = trafficking=20 and tax evasion."
 
Lets take this apart:
 
1. German High School students were NOT = victims of=20 a recent Top-Level Domain sales scam. INAIC is a legitimate business = with many=20 paying customers. If it was a scam, it would have been reported and shut = down by=20 the Dutch authorities. Joes claim that the police are
simply "too busy" all of the time, is=20 nonsense.
 
2. Joe calls Herman Xennt a "con = artist". Show me=20 convictions for fraud that Herman has. There aren't any.
 
3. Herman is not a convicted felon, = that I can=20 tell. I have asked for official copies of any such court papers and=20
Joe has refused to provide them. =
 
4. Some folks were living at the = Cyberbunker (Not=20 Xennt) and were running an XTC lab and it caught fire. They arrested=20 everyone
there including Herman. The subsequent = police=20 investigation found that Herman WAS NOT involved in any way in this=20 drug
lab and he was RELEASED. Joe doesn't = tell you that,=20 does he?
 
5. Finally, this section finishes up = with one of=20 the old Baptista saws: "Tax evasion". Again, Joe WHERE ARE THE=20 COURT
RECORDS?
 
In the next section, Joe = hallucinates:
 
"The school=20 joins an impressive list of organizations on the INAIC victims list. = Both the=20 Government of Turkey and SITA (Societe Internationale de = Telecommunications=20 Aeronautique) participated in marketing stolen property through INAIC. = In these=20 cases the intellectual property rights to top-level domains sold by = INAIC are=20 part of a commercial fraud involving former partners of Herman Xennt and = the=20 Top=20 Level Domain Association, another=20 front for the organization."
 
Lets see:
 
1. The school was not a victim of = anyone, including=20 INAIC.
 
2. Turkey and SITA were victims alright = - of Joe.=20 In 2005, after Herman and others would not let him run the show, he set = out to=20 destroy the effort and
as part of this effort, he threatened = and insulted=20 people in the Turkish govt and SITA (as well as those at Tiscali and = others)=20 into dropping their support
for the project.  You can see one = of his=20 accusations against his victims here, that they participated in = "marketing=20 stolen property" - in the US you
can be sued into poverty for making = those kinds of=20 false claims.
 
3. What does the TLDA have to do with = any of this?=20 I'll tell you what - the TLDA IS A VICTIM, again, a victim of Joe = Baptista. As a=20 founding member and
officer of the TLDA, I can tell you = that Joe has=20 done nothing but try to destroy our  organization. As we began to=20 accomplish things, Joe misused our
public e-mail lists to further his mad = vendetta=20 against Herman and Co. It got so bad that we finally banished him from = the=20 lists. Joe would regularily insult
our members, including calling Karl = Peters a=20 "welfare bum" and insulting his family. He did similar things to Bradley = Thornton, one of our other active members.
This actually led to a loss of = credibility for the=20 TLDA since all the public saw when they looked in on us was Joe = attacking and=20 everyone else trying to
defend themselves against his vile=20 actions.
 
The next section of the website may = contain some=20 kernel of truth. It appears that INAIC has confused Christopher's = gqbc-online.de=20
with an official school project. = According to the=20 school principal, this is not the case. This error should be corrected=20 asap.
 
Funny thing is, that later in the new = pages, Joe=20 states:
 
"Christopher=20 Mettin the schools 18 year old student network administrator runs the = GQnet = student project for=20 the Gymnasium Querfurt."
 
Joe, wait a moment - you just said that = GQNet is=20 being misrepresented as official school page, now you are claiming that = it is=20 official?
Which is is, Joe?
 
Joe concludes the Querfurt news section = by=20 complaining about incorporation of  INAIC. As stated before, it is=20 probably
illegal in Holland to run a business = that is not=20 legitimate and if so many people were being defrauded, the Dutch = authorities=20 would
have closed down this business a long = time ago. Why=20 haven't they? Could it be that INAIC is a legitimate business? = You
judge for yourself. : http://www.inaic.com
 
Conclusion: This "news" page is just = another one of=20 Joe's attempts to tar people who would not kow-tow to his demands. Joe=20 has
a need to have people consider him a = "wise internet=20 guru" and demands that they all sit at his feet and respect his = "wisdom".=20 He
has falsly claimed that he is a = "representative" of=20 the "public root" or otherwise represents the interest of some unknown = TLD=20 holders
and others, yet no one of substance has = ever come=20 forward saying that they cede that role to him. Anyone who dares to=20 question
his authority or go against him will be = on the=20 receiving end of his wrath. He will launch an intense vendetta against = that=20 person or
persons and will attempt to recruit = others into=20 this effort. This is what happened with the TLDA in the last 3 years - = he=20 attempted to
use the legitimacy of the TLDA as a = weapon in his=20 vendetta against Herman Xennt and as a result, almost destroyed = it.  When=20 those
he tries to recruit show hesitation to = join the=20 cause, he adds them to his list of "enemies" and attacks them as well. = This is=20 evident
in his attacks against Karl Peters, the = Chairman of=20 the TLDA board. When Karl asked him to calm down and refused to kow-tow=20 to
him, Joe called Karl a "welfare bum" = and insulted=20 Karl's family. A similar fate befell Bradley Thornton  as=20 well.
 
What Joe did in 2005 was to destroy a = business=20 opportunity that would have benefitted thousands of organizations and = would=20 have
been a credible alternative to the = monopoly of=20 ICANN. Everyone should realize what damage this psychotic has caused. = The=20 reason
that I keep harping on this is that I = am determined=20 that he  not be able to cause any further damage to people. = Education and=20 information
about what he is will go along way = towards=20 mitigating future damage.
 
Thats why I have the list http= ://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/baptista-offenses=20 online - as a repository for all of the information = regarding
Joe's antics. Anyone with information = on his antics=20 that is not currently on that list, feel free to join the list and post=20 it.
 
My conclusion, until and unless other = facts are=20 presented: There was NO SCANDAL involving the Gymnasium Querfurt or = Christopher=20
Mettin. This student is simply an = entrepeneur that=20 has started a small business and I wish him well and am so sorry that he = has
become a pawn in the psychosis of Joe=20 Baptista.  For the most part, the stuff on Joe's Querfurt news page = is=20 misleading, omissive and
in places, a flat out lie. =
 
Thanks for your patience while I=20 investigated.
 
If you have any questions, please = contact=20 me.
 
Cheers,
John
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Baptista
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 = 1:17=20 PM
Subject: [ga] The ICANN / INAIC = scandal=20 drags in the Gymnasium Querfurt high school again - Palmer = investigates

It has just come to my attention John Palmer is = investigating=20 the Gymnasium Querfurt scandal - http://bit.ly/5AEP1w - expect more = insightful=20 comments to come this way.

cheers
joe=20 baptista
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--0-531201229-1271193816=:67123-- From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Wed Apr 14 11:09:56 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O25A4-0001Ay-3J for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:09:56 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1271261393-069d00020000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 39A14516BE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:09:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id sPSzD6tPmbZTe2iL for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:09:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1O25Qk-0003vQ-Do; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:27:10 -0500 Message-ID: <80FE3F2E45CE4E0AA371E35FCC2C699C@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Joe Baptista - Internet Terrorist? First hand account of Joe's reign of Terror in Holland in 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:09:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1271261394 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Joe Baptista - Internet Terrorist? First hand account of Joe's reign of Terror in Holland in 2005 X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:09:56 -0000 http://inaic.com/index.php?p=internet-terror Here is the truth regarding Europe and Joe in 2005. Look at this man's history and decide who is more credible. >From the article: "It is clear that Internet terrorists like Joe Baptista remain a serious threat to all new and innovative projects on the Internet." From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Fri Apr 23 00:34:59 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5BXX-00013h-6b for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:34:59 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272000895-3cc700000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 26C1C52A31 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:34:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id haFforAF0OFHafR6 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:34:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1O5Bnx-0004bB-Rp; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: <2B46A34982224565828381C51DEF1B22@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: References: <802932.61498.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:34:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C0_01CAE27C.BB0305C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272000898 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:34:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01CAE27C.BB0305C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hugh - I hope you undertsand by now that none of Joe's claims about = criminality and fraud in=20 Europe have been proven true, in fact, evidence is that he was the only = one who committed any kind of offense (stealing a bike). All of Joe's "evidence" is just his own writings on his silly little = website that he crafts in a way to=20 make them look like news articles that he has pinched from somewhere = else. The casual (read: lazy) observer visiting his website will be fooled into thinking that they are = authoritative. They are not. I have investigated his latest scam - the Gymnasium Querfurt incident = and the results show that he pounced on more innocent victims in his mad vendetta against Herman = Xennt and his group. The results of my investigation are here: http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-April/000021.ht= ml He dragged an innocent high school student into his swirling pit of = psychosis and annoyed the principal of a top school in Germany by pretending to be someone of knowledge and = authority, which he is most=20 certainly IS NOT. If you want an accurate depiction of what Joe did in Holland in 2005 - = the damage he caused - see here for the real story: http://inaic.com/index.php?p=3Dinternet-terror Now Joe, if you want me to stop following you around to correct your = lies, misrepresentations, half truths and paranoidravings, you need to = be quiet:You will NEVER AGAIN call Herman or the people in Europe = crooks, refer to their businesses and crooked, tell the lie that theyare = criminals, tax cheats or other vile things WHICH THEY ARE NOT.You will = NEVER, EVER again call anyone a "welfare bum" or insult members of their = family or discuss those members ona public list without the person's = permission.You will NEVER again claim that you in any way have any = authority in the TLDA or that you are even a member or haveany right to = tell the organization how to conduct its business. You will NEVER EVER = engage in any other slander or other bad behavior in the inclusive = namespace. You will NEVER EVER EVERagain seek to destroy or disrupt any = registry, registrar, TLD reseller, root operator or other DNS = professional in the Inclusive Namespace.You will avoid causing any other = trouble to this industry or any other industry or cause that is = important to me and the otherswith which I associate.If you continue to = violate these rules, I will follow you around and pummel you into dust = each and every time you open your filthy, slanderous and psychotic mouth = so that the poor listeners can be given the truth about you and your = destructive lies. This is a page Iam taking out of Tom Evan's book. GOT = THAT, JOE.Cheers,John----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Dierker=20 To: cet1@cam.ac.uk ; ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA ; Joe Baptista=20 Cc: Paul Wouters ; Bind Users Mailing List ; Timothe Litt=20 Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec Fair trade is necessary trade. Unnecessary tradeoffs are lame. = These problems are not necessary -- except that they are within the = given framework of lack of motivation to do better. It comes down to = this, if we set our standards outside of competitive models there is no = incentive to do better. ICANN, the Dnssec and this SAIC are working = within government sanctioned slobbery, both intellectual and economic = slobbery. I used to think it was snobbery, now I know it is a laziness = born of shovel leaning bureaucrats. You may be kind and call it "make = work" but would you call intentional fraud "make work"? Buggy whips and = Railroad fireman is what this is. The plan I am putting together for the inculsives will generate = some new fire under the pants of these obstructionists and they will = find that a better mousetrap can be built. --- On Thu, 4/22/10, Joe Baptista = wrote: From: Joe Baptista Subject: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec To: cet1@cam.ac.uk, "ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA" = Cc: "Paul Wouters" , "Bind Users Mailing = List" , "Timothe Litt" Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 8:07 AM Looks like the future of the DNSSEC make work project includes = resolution failures here and there. More security - less stability - = guaranteed slavery. I wounder if it's a fair trade. we'll see .. regards joe baptista On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Chris Thompson = wrote: On Apr 22 2010, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Timothe Litt wrote: I'm having trouble resolving uspto.gov with bind = 9.6.1-P3 and 9.6-ESV configured as valdidating resolvers. Using dig, I get a connection timeout error after a long = (~10 sec) delay. +cdflag provides an immediate response. Is anyone else seeing this? Ideas on how to = troubleshoot? I have the same problems with our validating unbound = instance.=20 I suspect that this has to do with dig +dnssec +norec dnskey uspto.gov @dns1.uspto.gov. dig +dnssec +norec dnskey uspto.gov @sns2.uspto.gov. failing with timeouts, while dig +dnssec +norec +vc dnskey = uspto.gov @dns1.uspto.gov. dig +dnssec +norec +vc dnskey uspto.gov @dns2.uspto.gov. work fine ... with a 1736-byte answer. Probably the = fragmented UDP response is getting lost somewhere near the = authoritative servers themselves. --=20 Chris Thompson Email: cet1@cam.ac.uk=20 _______________________________________________ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01CAE27C.BB0305C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hugh - I hope you undertsand by now = that none of=20 Joe's claims about criminality and fraud in
Europe have been proven true, in fact, = evidence is=20 that he was the only one who committed any
kind of offense (stealing a = bike).
 
All of Joe's "evidence" is just his own = writings on=20 his silly little website that he crafts in a way to
make them look like news articles that = he has=20 pinched from somewhere else. The casual (read: lazy)
observer = visiting his=20 website will be fooled into thinking that they are authoritative. They = are=20 not.
 
I have investigated his latest scam - = the Gymnasium=20 Querfurt incident and the results show that he
pounced on more innocent victims in his = mad=20 vendetta against Herman Xennt and his group. The
results of my investigation are = here:
 
http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-Apr= il/000021.html
 
He dragged an innocent high school = student into his=20 swirling pit of psychosis and annoyed the principal of
a top school in Germany by pretending = to be someone=20 of knowledge and authority, which  he is most
certainly IS NOT.
 
If you want an accurate depiction of = what Joe did=20 in Holland in 2005 - the damage he caused - see
here for the real story:
 
http://inaic.com/=
index.php?p=3Dinternet-terror

Now Joe, if you want me to =
stop following you around to correct your lies, misrepresentations, half =
truths and paranoid
ravings, you need to be =
quiet:
You will NEVER AGAIN =
call Herman or the people in Europe crooks, refer to their businesses =
and crooked, tell the lie that they
are criminals, tax cheats or =
other vile things WHICH THEY ARE NOT.
You will NEVER, EVER again call anyone a "welfare =
bum" or insult members of their family or discuss those members on
a =
public list without the person's permission.
You will NEVER again claim that you in any =
way have any authority in the TLDA or that you are even a member or =
have
any right to tell the organization how to conduct its business. =

You will =
NEVER EVER engage in any other slander or other bad behavior in the =
inclusive namespace. You will NEVER EVER EVER
again seek to destroy =
or disrupt any registry, registrar, TLD reseller, root operator or other =
DNS professional in the Inclusive =
Namespace.
You will =
avoid causing any other trouble to this industry or any other industry =
or cause that is important to me and the others
with which  I =
associate.
If you continue =
to violate these rules, I will follow you around and pummel you into =
dust each and every time you open your filthy, 
slanderous and =
psychotic mouth so that the poor listeners can be given the truth about =
you and your destructive lies. This is a page I
am taking out of Tom =
Evan's book. 
GOT THAT, =
JOE.
Cheers,
John
----- Original Message =
-----
From:=20 Hugh=20 Dierker
Cc: Paul Wouters ; Bind=20 Users Mailing List ; Timothe Litt
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 = 11:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Resolving = .gov=20 w/dnssec

Fair trade is necessary trade. Unnecessary tradeoffs are = lame.=20 These problems are not necessary -- except that they are within = the=20 given framework of lack of motivation to do better.  It = comes down=20 to this, if we set our standards outside of competitive models = there is=20 no incentive to do better.  ICANN, the Dnssec and this SAIC = are=20 working within government sanctioned slobbery, = both intellectual=20 and economic slobbery.  I used to think it was snobbery, = now I know=20 it is a laziness born of shovel leaning bureaucrats. You may be = kind and=20 call it "make work" but would you call intentional fraud "make = work"?=20 Buggy whips and Railroad fireman is what this is.
 
The plan I am putting together for the inculsives will = generate=20 some new fire under the pants of these obstructionists and they = will=20 find that a better mousetrap can be built.
 


--- On Thu, 4/22/10, Joe Baptista=20 <baptista@publicroot.org> wrote:

From:=20 Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org>
Subject: [ga] = Re:=20 Resolving .gov w/dnssec
To: cet1@cam.ac.uk, = "ga@gnso.icann.org=20 >> GA" <ga@gnso.icann.org>
Cc: "Paul Wouters"=20 <paul@xelerance.com>, "Bind Users Mailing List"=20 <bind-users@lists.isc.org>, "Timothe Litt"=20 <litt@acm.org>
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 8:07=20 AM

Looks like the future of the DNSSEC = make work=20 project includes resolution failures here and there. More = security -=20 less stability - guaranteed slavery. I wounder if it's a fair=20 trade.

we'll see ..
regards
joe baptista

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:52 AM, = Chris=20 Thompson <cet1@cam.ac.uk>=20 wrote:
On Apr 22 2010, Paul Wouters wrote:

On=20 Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Timothe Litt wrote:

I'm=20 having trouble resolving uspto.gov with bind = 9.6.1-P3 and=20 9.6-ESV
configured as valdidating = resolvers.

Using=20 dig, I get a connection timeout error after a long (~10 = sec)=20 delay.
+cdflag provides an immediate=20 response.

Is=20 anyone else seeing this?  Ideas on how to=20 troubleshoot?

I have the same problems = with=20 our validating unbound instance. =

I=20 suspect that this has to do with

 dig +dnssec = +norec=20 dnskey uspto.gov @dns1.uspto.gov.
 dig +dnssec=20 +norec dnskey uspto.gov @sns2.uspto.gov.

failing with=20 timeouts, while   dig +dnssec +norec +vc dnskey uspto.gov=20 @dns1.uspto.gov.
 dig +dnssec = +norec +vc=20 dnskey uspto.gov @dns2.uspto.gov.

work fine ...=20 with a 1736-byte answer. Probably the fragmented
UDP = response is=20 getting lost somewhere near the authoritative
servers=20 themselves.

--
Chris=20 Thompson
Email: cet1@cam.ac.uk=20


_______________________________________________
bin= d-users=20 mailing list
bind-users@lists.isc.org<= BR>https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
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------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01CAE27C.BB0305C0-- From sven@cb3rob.net Fri Apr 23 06:04:58 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5Ggs-0002ce-Q1 for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:04:58 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272020691-6e7a00000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from smtp.cb3rob.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 6C35252A9B for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:04:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.cb3rob.net (smtp.cb3rob.net [84.22.96.5]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id ALALyhSjkqa8ZqmG for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:04:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: sven@cb3rob.net Received: by smtp.cb3rob.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 8D1941044006; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cb3rob.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EBF1044005; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:52:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: nil Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:52:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec In-Reply-To: <2B46A34982224565828381C51DEF1B22@TAKA> Message-ID: References: <802932.61498.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2B46A34982224565828381C51DEF1B22@TAKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="374606433-1788017758-1272019957=:26828" X-Barracuda-Connect: smtp.cb3rob.net[84.22.96.5] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272020692 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0018 1.0000 -2.0092 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-2.01 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=2.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=3.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.25612 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:04:59 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --374606433-1788017758-1272019957=:26828 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Joe is also very happily spreading lies and crap on: http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-threaten-strike-on-pirate-bay-nuclear= -bunker-100422/ --=20 Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, John Palmer wrote: > Hugh - I hope you undertsand by now that none of Joe's claims about crimi= nality and fraud in > Europe have been proven true, in fact, evidence is that he was the only o= ne who committed any > kind of offense (stealing a bike). > > All of Joe's "evidence" is just his own writings on his silly little webs= ite that he crafts in a way to > make them look like news articles that he has pinched from somewhere else= =2E The casual (read: lazy) > observer visiting his website will be fooled into thinking that they are = authoritative. They are not. > > I have investigated his latest scam - the Gymnasium Querfurt incident and= the results show that he > pounced on more innocent victims in his mad vendetta against Herman Xennt= and his group. The > results of my investigation are here: > > http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-April/000021.ht= ml > > He dragged an innocent high school student into his swirling pit of psych= osis and annoyed the principal of > a top school in Germany by pretending to be someone of knowledge and auth= ority, which he is most > certainly IS NOT. > > If you want an accurate depiction of what Joe did in Holland in 2005 - th= e damage he caused - see > here for the real story: > > http://inaic.com/index.php?p=3Dinternet-terror > Now Joe, if you want me to stop following you around to correct your lies= , misrepresentations, half truths and paranoidravings, you need to be quiet= :You will NEVER AGAIN call Herman or the people in Europe crooks, refer to = their businesses and crooked, tell the lie that theyare criminals, tax chea= ts or other vile things WHICH THEY ARE NOT.You will NEVER, EVER again call = anyone a "welfare bum" or insult members of their family or discuss those m= embers ona public list without the person's permission.You will NEVER again= claim that you in any way have any authority in the TLDA or that you are e= ven a member or haveany right to tell the organization how to conduct its b= usiness. You will NEVER EVER engage in any other slander or other bad behav= ior in the inclusive namespace. You will NEVER EVER EVERagain seek to destr= oy or disrupt any registry, registrar, TLD reseller, root operator or other= DNS professional in the Inclusive Namespace.You will avoid causing any oth= er trouble to this industry or any other industry or cause that is importan= t to me and the otherswith which I associate.If you continue to violate th= ese rules, I will follow you around and pummel you into dust each and every= time you open your filthy, slanderous and psychotic mouth so that the poor= listeners can be given the truth about you and your destructive lies. This= is a page Iam taking out of Tom Evan's book. GOT THAT, JOE.Cheers,John----= - Original Message ----- From: Hugh Dierker > To: cet1@cam.ac.uk ; ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA ; Joe Baptista > Cc: Paul Wouters ; Bind Users Mailing List ; Timothe Litt > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec > > > Fair trade is necessary trade. Unnecessary tradeoffs are lame. The= se problems are not necessary -- except that they are within the given fram= ework of lack of motivation to do better. It comes down to this, if we set= our standards outside of competitive models there is no incentive to do be= tter. ICANN, the Dnssec and this SAIC are working within government sancti= oned slobbery, both intellectual and economic slobbery. I used to think it= was snobbery, now I know it is a laziness born of shovel leaning bureaucra= ts. You may be kind and call it "make work" but would you call intentional = fraud "make work"? Buggy whips and Railroad fireman is what this is. > > The plan I am putting together for the inculsives will generate so= me new fire under the pants of these obstructionists and they will find tha= t a better mousetrap can be built. > > > > --- On Thu, 4/22/10, Joe Baptista wrote: > > > From: Joe Baptista > Subject: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec > To: cet1@cam.ac.uk, "ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA" > Cc: "Paul Wouters" , "Bind Users Mailing Lis= t" , "Timothe Litt" > Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 8:07 AM > > > Looks like the future of the DNSSEC make work project includes r= esolution failures here and there. More security - less stability - guarant= eed slavery. I wounder if it's a fair trade. > > we'll see .. > regards > joe baptista > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Chris Thompson wrote: > > On Apr 22 2010, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Timothe Litt wrote: > > > I'm having trouble resolving uspto.gov with bind 9.6.1-P3 = and 9.6-ESV > configured as valdidating resolvers. > > Using dig, I get a connection timeout error after a long (= ~10 sec) delay. > +cdflag provides an immediate response. > > > > Is anyone else seeing this? Ideas on how to troubleshoot? > > > I have the same problems with our validating unbound instanc= e. > > > > I suspect that this has to do with > > dig +dnssec +norec dnskey uspto.gov @dns1.uspto.gov. > dig +dnssec +norec dnskey uspto.gov @sns2.uspto.gov. > > failing with timeouts, while dig +dnssec +norec +vc dnskey u= spto.gov @dns1.uspto.gov. > dig +dnssec +norec +vc dnskey uspto.gov @dns2.uspto.gov. > > work fine ... with a 1736-byte answer. Probably the fragmented > UDP response is getting lost somewhere near the authoritative > servers themselves. > > -- > Chris Thompson > Email: cet1@cam.ac.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > > > > > > --374606433-1788017758-1272019957=:26828-- From sven@cb3rob.net Fri Apr 23 06:07:46 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5Gja-0002Ht-Da for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:07:46 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272020863-70f500000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from smtp.cb3rob.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 6D7D052A97 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:07:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.cb3rob.net (smtp.cb3rob.net [84.22.96.5]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id RmPJgSFQFlKZOBbJ for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:07:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: sven@cb3rob.net Received: by smtp.cb3rob.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id D222C104407E; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cb3rob.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9531044005; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:55:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: nil Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:55:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <802932.61498.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2B46A34982224565828381C51DEF1B22@TAKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Barracuda-Connect: smtp.cb3rob.net[84.22.96.5] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272020864 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0214 1.0000 -1.8821 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-1.88 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=2.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=3.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.25612 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Cc: ga@gnso.icann.org X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:07:46 -0000 I'd like to be informed should information appear that joe is physically in germany (so he can have a little word with our little green (now blue ;) friends, they'll know how to handle his criminal activities :P -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle ========================================================================= On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > Joe is also very happily spreading lies and crap on: > > http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-threaten-strike-on-pirate-bay-nuclear-bunker-100422/ > > -- > Greetings, > > Sven Olaf Kamphuis, > CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG > ========================================================================= > Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 > D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B > BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 > Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 > RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net > ========================================================================= > C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle > > ========================================================================= > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, John Palmer wrote: > >> Hugh - I hope you undertsand by now that none of Joe's claims about >> criminality and fraud in >> Europe have been proven true, in fact, evidence is that he was the only one >> who committed any >> kind of offense (stealing a bike). >> >> All of Joe's "evidence" is just his own writings on his silly little >> website that he crafts in a way to >> make them look like news articles that he has pinched from somewhere else. >> The casual (read: lazy) >> observer visiting his website will be fooled into thinking that they are >> authoritative. They are not. >> >> I have investigated his latest scam - the Gymnasium Querfurt incident and >> the results show that he >> pounced on more innocent victims in his mad vendetta against Herman Xennt >> and his group. The >> results of my investigation are here: >> >> http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-April/000021.html >> >> He dragged an innocent high school student into his swirling pit of >> psychosis and annoyed the principal of >> a top school in Germany by pretending to be someone of knowledge and >> authority, which he is most >> certainly IS NOT. >> >> If you want an accurate depiction of what Joe did in Holland in 2005 - the >> damage he caused - see >> here for the real story: >> >> http://inaic.com/index.php?p=internet-terror >> Now Joe, if you want me to stop following you around to correct your lies, >> misrepresentations, half truths and paranoidravings, you need to be >> quiet:You will NEVER AGAIN call Herman or the people in Europe crooks, >> refer to their businesses and crooked, tell the lie that theyare criminals, >> tax cheats or other vile things WHICH THEY ARE NOT.You will NEVER, EVER >> again call anyone a "welfare bum" or insult members of their family or >> discuss those members ona public list without the person's permission.You >> will NEVER again claim that you in any way have any authority in the TLDA >> or that you are even a member or haveany right to tell the organization how >> to conduct its business. You will NEVER EVER engage in any other slander or >> other bad behavior in the inclusive namespace. You will NEVER EVER >> EVERagain seek to destroy or disrupt any registry, registrar, TLD reseller, >> root operator or other DNS professional in the Inclusive Namespace.You will >> avoid causing any other trouble to this industry or any other industry or >> cause that is important to me and the otherswith which I associate.If you >> continue to violate these rules, I will follow you around and pummel you >> into dust each and every time you open your filthy, slanderous and >> psychotic mouth so that the poor listeners can be given the truth about you >> and your destructive lies. This is a page Iam taking out of Tom Evan's >> book. GOT THAT, JOE.Cheers,John----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh >> Dierker >> To: cet1@cam.ac.uk ; ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA ; Joe Baptista >> Cc: Paul Wouters ; Bind Users Mailing List ; Timothe Litt >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec >> >> >> Fair trade is necessary trade. Unnecessary tradeoffs are lame. These >> problems are not necessary -- except that they are within the given >> framework of lack of motivation to do better. It comes down to this, if we >> set our standards outside of competitive models there is no incentive to do >> better. ICANN, the Dnssec and this SAIC are working within government >> sanctioned slobbery, both intellectual and economic slobbery. I used to >> think it was snobbery, now I know it is a laziness born of shovel leaning >> bureaucrats. You may be kind and call it "make work" but would you call >> intentional fraud "make work"? Buggy whips and Railroad fireman is what >> this is. >> >> The plan I am putting together for the inculsives will generate some >> new fire under the pants of these obstructionists and they will find that a >> better mousetrap can be built. >> >> >> >> --- On Thu, 4/22/10, Joe Baptista wrote: >> >> >> From: Joe Baptista >> Subject: [ga] Re: Resolving .gov w/dnssec >> To: cet1@cam.ac.uk, "ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA" >> Cc: "Paul Wouters" , "Bind Users Mailing List" >> , "Timothe Litt" >> Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 8:07 AM >> >> >> Looks like the future of the DNSSEC make work project includes >> resolution failures here and there. More security - less stability - >> guaranteed slavery. I wounder if it's a fair trade. >> >> we'll see .. >> regards >> joe baptista >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Chris Thompson >> wrote: >> >> On Apr 22 2010, Paul Wouters wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Timothe Litt wrote: >> >> >> I'm having trouble resolving uspto.gov with bind 9.6.1-P3 >> and 9.6-ESV >> configured as valdidating resolvers. >> >> Using dig, I get a connection timeout error after a long >> (~10 sec) delay. >> +cdflag provides an immediate response. >> >> >> >> Is anyone else seeing this? Ideas on how to troubleshoot? >> >> >> I have the same problems with our validating unbound instance. >> >> >> >> I suspect that this has to do with >> >> dig +dnssec +norec dnskey uspto.gov @dns1.uspto.gov. >> dig +dnssec +norec dnskey uspto.gov @sns2.uspto.gov. >> >> failing with timeouts, while dig +dnssec +norec +vc dnskey >> uspto.gov @dns1.uspto.gov. >> dig +dnssec +norec +vc dnskey uspto.gov @dns2.uspto.gov. >> >> work fine ... with a 1736-byte answer. Probably the fragmented >> UDP response is getting lost somewhere near the authoritative >> servers themselves. >> >> -- >> Chris Thompson >> Email: cet1@cam.ac.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bind-users mailing list >> bind-users@lists.isc.org >> https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users >> >> >> >> >> > From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Fri Apr 23 18:48:27 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5Sbj-0001Db-J6 for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:48:27 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272066506-78f500000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id D8B9952BDB for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:48:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id Idgzd6rYAoXx0oyB for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:48:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1O5Ss4-000739-CG; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:05:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Joe Baptista - When will you make amends for what you have done to HARM TLD holders? (was Re: [ga] John Palmer - it is time to come to account) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:47:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272066506 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Joe Baptista - When will you make amends for what you have done to HARM TLD holders? (was Re: [ga] John Palmer - it is time to come to account) X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:48:27 -0000 Here is what has been done to safeguard "your" TLD holders: You have been exposed for the fraud and psychopath that you are. The matter in Europe has been investigated and the result is here: http://inaic.com/index.php?p=internet-terror You did not provide evidence of any sort, just your own writings and the writings of what appears to be a co-conspirator in your attempt to extort an ownership stake in UNIDT from the original owners (see the link above). I understand that (not sure on this one) your cohort Martijn Burger may have been involved in this as well - this is still under investigation by INAIC and the authorities at Public-Root.com and we will know, perhaps soon, the involvment (or perhaps lack of) of Mr. Burger in that offense. As a stakeholder in the Inclusive Namespace, one who has an on-going registry business into which over US$100k has been invested, I witnessed the complete destruction of the best (and perhaps last) opportunity for INS TLD holders to gain the visibility in the namespace that would propel the INS into the mainstream. That complete destruction was caused by you, Mr. Baptista. When you couldn't get Marty van Veluw to bow to your extortion attempts, you did exactly as you claimed you would and you destroyed the effort and along with it, probably the only remaining hope for the INS. After this mess, with the whole INS world in smoking ruins, ICANN was able to get the traction needed and launched a very clever plot to AGREE that many TLDs could be added to the root, except that they would get to decide which ones and would create a 1,000,000 Leah Gallegos's (whose .BIZ TLD they stole) by simply stealing what already exists, emptying out its registrants and selling that stolen property to whomever will pay them their $185K and $0.20 per registration-year. See here for what ICANN did to this poor hardworking woman: http://www.tldainc.org/news/98-arnis-alamo-anti-competitive-icann-and-dot-biz.html Now, all of you just imagine for a moment, an alternative history. Lets say, for the sake of argument that Joe got hit by a bus in Peterborough back in 2004. Lets say that he wasn't killed, but the driver, Tom Evans backed the bus over him several more times and he eventually was killed, and (Tom) was awarded the key to the city of Toronto by the police chief. So, Joe is dead (we can dream, can't we?) and doesn't go to Europe in 2005. He doesn't try to extort any shares from Mr. Van Veluw and Public-Root, UNIDT and INAIC's plans succeed and the ISP Tiscali, the nation of Turkey and many other European players join the INS. The INS gets traction and many people create TLDs and by the time ICANN gets around to its master plan to steal TLDs, you have alot of large players with deep pockets who can tear ICANN a new asshole in courtrooms across Europe and in the EU regulatory bodies. ICANN cannot steal TLDs from people who can now defend themselves, unlike Leah Gallegos who had no money to hire lawyers when her business was robbed from her by ICANN. The INS is now mainstream and the world is free from the monopolistic evil of ICANN. Oh, but lets come back to reality, shall we. Sorry, but we have to. Joe didn't get hit by a bus. He did go to Europe and did destroy the effort as you can see by visiting the link above. Where we stand today is that ICANN has now very cleverly adopoted the mantra of the INS - that of a cornucopia of TLDs, but only if they get to create them and still without any respect for the property rights of the current holders of those TLDs. To be frank with all of you, unless someone in the INS has deep pockets, ICANN will get away with it and we may as well just go home. As an officer of the TLDA, and an advocate of TLD holder's rights, (being a TLD holder myself), when I saw what Joe did in 2005, I immediatly determined that, whether or not he was a psychotic, a paid ICANN shill, or whatever, he was NO freind of INS TLD holders. He single-handedly destroyed the only major chance that the INS had to go mainstream and thus enabled ICANN to complete its conquest of the namespace and its destruction of a free industry by acts of wholesale theft of TLDs. In early 2007, Joe resurfaced and put on his air of authority, claiming that he had been hired by some TLD holders to be their "representative" and began pretending to have some right or authority over the TLDA. At that point, the TLDA had been dormant for several years, no one wanting to make any efforts after the 2005 debacle. As the last elected chairperson of the TLDA, I challenged him publically to stop claiming that he spoke for, or had any authority in the TLDA. As a matter of fact, Joe was never a member of the TLDA officially - he CHOSE not to join. A big battle ensued and I was called a villan by people, including at times, Karl Peters, one of our board members. I tried to get the other board members to pass a resolution condemning Joe for the great harm he did to our industry in 2005, but they sided with Joe. So, the battle raged. TLDA was restarted by Karl Peters and I eventually resigned (in disgust that they couldn't see the obvious things I saw about Joe's destructiveness). I tried to convince them that we needed to distance ourselves from him and that there was a minute, camel-through-the-eye-of-a-needle chance that we could maybe, resurrect the INS prospects. I eventually re-joined the TLDA. By then, Joe had insulted and abused everyone on the lists and eventually called Karl Peters, the chairperson at the time, a "welfare bum" and severely insulting his wife and family and then finally the other tossed Joe off the list for good. By then, it was too late. ICANN was in full theft-mode. We had wasted what little time we had left and ICANN was able to create their theft policy with no one to stop them. While it is still 12 - 18 months from execution, its a done deal because everyone else has given up and no one has any money. So, Joe, you ask what I say to the TLD holders who have been hurt? I say that I warned them all about you after what damage YOU did to them in 2005. I warned people over and over again. I think YOU need to answer the question, Joe: What have YOU done to help TLD holders in the INS? The answer is that you have done everything you could possibly do to destroy any hopes that they would ever be successful. You are brilliant at DESTROYING and I cannot find any evidence that you have ever BUILT anything in your life. I've answered the question - I've done quite alot for the INS and have been doing so since 1995. You need to answer for what you've done TO HARM THE INS. You are the one who has alot of explaining to do buddy, not me. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Baptista To: ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: [ga] John Palmer - it is time to come to account and what a perfect place for this to happen but on the GA. An open forum. Mr. Palmer - I am about to ask you a question on behalf of my TLD holders in your capacity as a root operator for the Public-dash-Root a.k.a. INAIC. And more generally in your capacity as a director of the TLDA. I understand this is a trade organization for TLD holders. The TLDA has investigated what happened in the Netherlands. The official record of events as recorded by the TLDA has been posted. Now considering the evidence provided what has been done to safe guard my TLD holders interests in their TLDs? I'm not the issue here John. But that question is the only question you need answer. But you won't. John - I'm with Hugh on this. The hundreds of people who purchased into the TLDA / INAIC scam want a solution. Not diversionary Joe Baptista tactics. You are a director of the TLDA. You are also an insider of the INAIC / Public-dash-Root / Worldroot ... etc. ... my golly Miss Molly what do you have to say to my TLD holders? What exactly did they buy from you guys when they purchased a TLD. Was it just a lot of hot air? Time to come to account .. regards joe baptista From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Sat Apr 24 00:08:32 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5XbU-0000Ha-5A for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:08:32 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272085710-1e1200000000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 7FFD652C0C for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:08:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id noMvf1cU81oB9sm1 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:08:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1O5Xrp-0007jW-BS; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [ga] Re: Joe Baptista - When will you make amends for what you have done to HARM TLD holders? (was Re: [ga] John Palmer - it is time to come to account) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272085711 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] Re: Joe Baptista - When will you make amends for what you have done to HARM TLD holders? (was Re: [ga] John Palmer - it is time to come to account) X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:08:32 -0000 I have answered the question and based on my investigation of the events in Europe, you are at fault and attempted an extortion and they rejected you and you did what you have always done since the days of the fax machine assaults you launched against the police officials in Toronto in the late 80's and early 90's - you went on a slander and defamation campaign. I have nothing else to say about it that hasn't already been said here: http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03817.html and by other who know you and are your victims at the following URLs: http://www.tranquileye.com/magic/magic_stuff/Toronto_Net_loons.htm http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-April/000021.html http://inaic.com/index.php?p=internet-terror As for stealing TLDs, ICANN is about to pull off a TLD theft of epic proportions and I don't see you offering any solutions to fight this. What will those TLD holders that you repesent say when ICANN "appropriates" their strings, dumps off their current registrants and re-assigns those strings to someone else? If you were so interested in helping those that you "represent", you would be spending your time on this issue, which is, far and away, the biggest threat to their interests. But instead,you continue your mad vendetta against me because I run a root server for Herman because he and his other associates would not bow to your extortion and that enrages you and also that I dare to challenge your image of "wise old man of the internet". Some representative you are, Joe. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Baptista To: ga@gnso.icann.org Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:20 PM Subject: [ga] Re: Joe Baptista - When will you make amends for what you have done to HARM TLD holders? (was Re: [ga] John Palmer - it is time to come to account) John - answer the question .. don't give us more Internet stalker psychobabble. http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03816.html What did my TLD holders buy .. and what has been done to safeguard their investment. You guys collected the money. Give us some answers. To point the finger at me is as disingenuous as pointing the finger at ICANN and claiming they stole TLDs. It is also disingenuous to call people who provide supporting evidence co-conspirators. Are you calling Martijn Burger a co-conspirator. Or are you calling the Principle of the Gymnasium Querford a co-conspirator. Here is some more supporting evidence your part of a scam and that you guys stole TLDs. Check it out ... http://bit.ly/bSeU4V and http://bit.ly/bO3zkM ... is the person who wrote these emails another co-conspirator in your books John? The only conspirators I see here are the scammers at the TLDA http://bit.ly/98amp7 who claim to represent TLD holders and don't. cheers joe baptista From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Sat Apr 24 20:29:57 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5qfV-0006be-1h for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:29:57 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272158995-163d00030000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 6E30652CF5 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:29:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id XjZi2rOJOCQHhmrL for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:29:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1O5qvl-0002eh-Cm; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:46:45 -0500 Message-ID: <344D175467154AB4AA7722E33E501CA6@TAKA> X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [ga] twitter twits tweeting away - or how to get more followers on Twitter a live demonstration in Palmer v. Baptista wars Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:29:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_029E_01CAE3EC.D0ACC110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272158996 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] twitter twits tweeting away - or how to get more followers on Twitter a live demonstration in Palmer v. Baptista wars X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 01:29:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_029E_01CAE3EC.D0ACC110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This isn't about followers on Teeniebopper Twitter, Joe, its serious.=20 Thats your problem, you never consider what damage you do when you go after people like you did in 2005 and how much you have enabled ICANN by your actions.=20 I'm not going to respond to your crap. Please see my previous messages.=20 See link below: http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03817.html You have not answered my question about how you will make amends to the TLD community that you claim you serve and whose interests you = supposably protect. Your actions in Europe in 2005 destroyed their prospects for economic = success and have enabled ICANN to complete its scheme to dominate the internet=20 namespace. You have not only hurt TLD holders, but have sold the entire internet into slavery and domination at the hands of ICANN. Please answer my question - How will you make amends for the damage you have caused not only to the TLD holders, but to internet freedom itself? = Can you even shut up and stop the on-going damage that you are doing by attacking those of us who were and are still trying to make a = difference?=20 I don't think you can or that you have any desire to do so.=20 That being said, I hope that all of you listeners out there can see that = Joe will be of no use to TLD holders and, in fact, will burn you, even if he has never = heard about you personally.=20 No, Joe. I'm not going to take the bait and play your little twitter = games anymore. Now off to open my 18 year old scotch....=20 Cheers, John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Baptista=20 To: ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA=20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:56 PM Subject: [ga] twitter twits tweeting away - or how to get more = followers on Twitter a live demonstration in Palmer v. Baptista wars The only way you know your winning the war on twitter is followers. = Thats it. Thats the basic metric. I currently have 4,700 followers on = twitter. John Palmer has 28. This represent a net addition of two = followers this past week less one who dropped out. I win the follow me = numerics by default. John and I have been building our twitter accounts = over the last year. So i win that. However - I recently launched a robot to test some programs on the net = and would like to report it has gained more followers this past week = then Palmer. At 24 followers she will soon exceed John following = numbers. Palmer's twitter posts contain an obsessive fixation on me in various = languages ... http://bit.ly/91lovb while my robot Lisa = http://bit.ly/cQdh2y has big tits. Obviously on twitter "big tits" is = good ... and obsessive compulsive behavior is bad. I don't think playing = Internet stalker on twitter works for John. John - let's talk this out over the phone - man to man. People are = tired of this shit and Eric and i are moving towards solutions. Now is = the time to board. Or you might want to consider changing your twitter = image from a lion to something with big tits. Anyway ... the war with you on twitter is very boring. I don't think = were in the same communication framework. My b0t does better then you. = Focus more on your core business - then my bot can address the issues = you raise. I have built her with anti stalking technology and marketing = software - you'll be my first test on twitter of my anti stalking = technology. Or we can get along and fix this fraud your involved with = together. I offered the same to Herman Xennt. Fix the fraud and get a = pardon. Cheers Joe Baptista ------=_NextPart_000_029E_01CAE3EC.D0ACC110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This isn't about followers on = Teeniebopper Twitter,=20 Joe, its serious.
 
Thats your problem, you never consider = what damage=20 you do when you
go after people like you did in 2005 = and how much=20 you have enabled ICANN
by your actions.
 
I'm not going to respond to your crap. = Please see=20 my previous messages.
See link below:
 
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03817.html=
 
You have not answered my question about = how you=20 will make amends to the
TLD community that you claim you serve = and whose=20 interests you supposably
protect.
 
Your actions in Europe in 2005 = destroyed their=20 prospects for economic success
and have enabled ICANN to complete its = scheme to=20 dominate the internet
namespace.  You have not only hurt = TLD=20 holders, but have sold the entire
internet into slavery and domination at = the hands=20 of ICANN.
 
Please answer my question - How will = you make=20 amends for the damage you
have caused not only to the TLD = holders, but=20 to internet freedom itself?
 
Can you even shut up and stop the = on-going damage=20 that you are doing by
attacking those of us who were and are = still trying=20 to make a difference?
I don't think you can or that you have = any desire=20 to do so.
 
That being said, I hope that all of you = listeners=20 out there can see that Joe will be of
no use to TLD holders and, in fact, = will burn you,=20 even if he has never heard about
you personally.
 
No, Joe. I'm not going to take the bait = and play=20 your little twitter games anymore.
 
Now off to open my 18 year old = scotch....=20
 
Cheers,
John
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Baptista
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 = 7:56=20 PM
Subject: [ga] twitter twits = tweeting away=20 - or how to get more followers on Twitter a live demonstration in = Palmer v.=20 Baptista wars


The only way you know your winning the = war on=20 twitter is followers. Thats it. Thats the basic metric. I currently = have 4,700=20 followers on twitter. John Palmer has 28. This represent a net = addition of two=20 followers this past week less one who dropped out. I win the follow me = numerics by default. John and I have been building our twitter = accounts over=20 the last year. So i win that.

However - I recently launched a = robot to=20 test some programs on the net and would like to report it has gained = more=20 followers this past week then Palmer. At 24 followers she will soon = exceed=20 John following numbers.

Palmer's twitter posts contain an = obsessive=20 fixation on me in various languages ... http://bit.ly/91lovb while my robot = Lisa http://bit.ly/cQdh2y has big tits. = Obviously=20 on twitter "big tits" is good ... and obsessive compulsive behavior is = bad. I=20 don't think playing Internet stalker on twitter works for = John.

John -=20 let's talk this out over the phone - man to man. People are tired of = this shit=20 and Eric and i are moving towards solutions. Now is the time to board. = Or you=20 might want to consider changing your twitter image from a lion to = something=20 with big tits.

Anyway ... the war with you on twitter is very = boring. I=20 don't think were in the same communication framework. My b0t does = better then=20 you. Focus more on your core business - then my bot can address the = issues you=20 raise. I have built her with anti stalking technology and marketing = software -=20 you'll be my first test on twitter of my anti stalking technology. Or = we can=20 get along and fix this fraud your involved with together. I offered = the same=20 to Herman Xennt. Fix the fraud and get a pardon.

Cheers
Joe=20 Baptista
------=_NextPart_000_029E_01CAE3EC.D0ACC110-- From jpalmer@american-webmasters.net Sun Apr 25 19:30:21 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O6CDN-0000kk-2C for baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:30:21 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272241814-76db00010000-rsGxqQ X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id C470752E3F for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:30:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MAIL.ADNS.NET (KOVU.ADNS.NET [199.5.157.52]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with ESMTP id CwsfzneIM9I8MHwi for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:30:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: jpalmer@american-webmasters.net X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received-SPF: softfail (ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET: domain of transitioning jpalmer@american-webmasters.net does not designate 199.5.157.52 as permitted sender) receiver=ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET; client_ip=199.5.157.52; envelope-from=jpalmer@american-webmasters.net; Received: from [24.148.29.239] (helo=TAKA) by MAIL.ADNS.NET with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1O6CTQ-0005fH-Hp; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:46:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 X-Barracuda-RBL-IP: 24.148.29.239 From: "John Palmer" To: References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - update on Palmer Baptista twitter war Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:29:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01CAE4AD.A6039C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Barracuda-Connect: KOVU.ADNS.NET[199.5.157.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272241818 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - update on Palmer Baptista twitter war X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:30:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01CAE4AD.A6039C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why is Henk saying this? Because he is lying. Plain and simple. Or = alternatively, he never said this and you made up or forged e-mail from someone by that name, which you = have been known to do in=20 the past. I never stole any TLD from anyone nor particpated in any such = thing. ICANN is the only one that stole a TLD (.BIZ) and is planning on the biggest TLD heist ever, and = thanks to your actions in 2005, they have carte blanche to do so. I remind people to study up on Joe's past and decide who you want to = believe: http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03817.html http://www.tranquileye.com/magic/magic_stuff/Toronto_Net_loons.htm http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-April/000021.ht= ml http://inaic.com/index.php?p=3Dinternet-terror I am done with this thread for now (I promise), but if Joe starts = coughing up another fact-challenged hairball, I'll have to come back to clean up the = record with factful Lysol. PS: No Joe, I won't take yout ARIN-PPML bait. Cheers, John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Baptista=20 To: ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA=20 Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - update on Palmer Baptista = twitter war Well since John Palmer is incapable of answering any of the questions = posed to him - especially the claims of theft from Henk Smit - I will = instead update you on the Twitter war Mr. Palmer is having with me. It's = going slow. The last official tweet I got from John seemed like a plea = from him to me to let him get in the last word. Check it out = http://twitter.com/Web_Lion/status/12794641835 When I'm dead John you can have the last word on this. For now were = all waiting for you to tell us - why is Henk Smit claiming you guys = stole his TLDs? However on a brighter note and as I predicted yesterday my robot Lisa = http://bit.ly/cQdh2y now has more followers then Palmer's Web_Lion = http://bit.ly/91lovb which proves my point that big tits always have an = advantage over psychotic behavior. I think John would agree. regards joe baptista ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01CAE4AD.A6039C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Why is Henk saying this? Because = he is lying.=20 Plain and simple. Or alternatively, he never said this
and you made up or forged e-mail from = someone by=20 that name, which you have been known to do in
the past. I never stole any TLD = from anyone nor particpated in any such thing. = ICANN is the=20 only one that
stole a TLD (.BIZ) and is planning on = the biggest=20 TLD heist ever, and thanks to your actions in 2005, they
have carte blanche to do = so.
 
I remind people to study up on Joe's = past and=20 decide who you want to believe:
 
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03817.html=
 
http://www.tranquileye.com/magic/magic_stuff/Toronto_Net_loons.htm=
 
http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-Apr= il/000021.html
 
http://inaic.com/= index.php?p=3Dinternet-terror
I am done with this thread for now (I = promise), but=20 if Joe starts coughing up
another fact-challenged hairball, I'll = have to come=20 back to clean up the record
with factful Lysol.
 
PS: No Joe, I won't take yout ARIN-PPML = bait.
 
Cheers,
John
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Baptista
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 = 7:07=20 PM
Subject: [ga] Tweeting twits = tweet away -=20 update on Palmer Baptista twitter war


Well since John Palmer is incapable of answering = any of the=20 questions posed to him - especially the claims of theft from Henk Smit = - I=20 will instead update you on the Twitter war Mr. Palmer is having with = me. It's=20 going slow. The last official tweet I got from John seemed like a plea = from=20 him to me to let him get in the last word. Check it out http://twitter.co= m/Web_Lion/status/12794641835

When=20 I'm dead John you can have the last word on this. For now were all = waiting for=20 you to tell us - why is Henk Smit claiming you guys stole his=20 TLDs?

However on a brighter note and as I predicted yesterday = my robot=20 Lisa http://bit.ly/cQdh2y now has = more=20 followers then Palmer's Web_Lion http://bit.ly/91lovb which proves my = point=20 that big tits always have an advantage over psychotic behavior. I = think John=20 would agree.

regards
joe = baptista
------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01CAE4AD.A6039C10-- From baxtertms@yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 01:14:35 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O6HaV-0000Xe-6y for baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:14:35 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272262473-298b00010000-jBn1bC X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with SMTP id 5B4D852E9E for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:14:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [68.180.199.26]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with SMTP id CXNcQ3TiHo7FJAX4 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:14:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: baxtertms@yahoo.com X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: (qmail 50912 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2010 06:14:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1272262472; bh=1ErBRW6euw1xyVHGfv9XAg8Gz55vYm4+5YIZRRjjqMY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DJJjWwfwGFDKLDaaNcgR3hgYjj4QxbCTGtq9Bf30qc+Wmy/AoWgGdQa9Po5Va3YUbneDGq5iT3OG5bgWqLSbCmfoh2nkwnZzDocnjMwASMbJ+Zotyib0AzeUSeyQwFme9dnqK/nKtS3j2AZAs95o1fa40k2BOzxZSaWSUmd5Z18= X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: nil DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ooCkq+IbKzeqfdzVw2LLAA1IedosR1Um1aabRF8HYlXZT15hgXPYBN2rZOIlqZ4WVAKjNdxuepr+xC+jj+LjLOVoogaMHWvpok0b4WG50aKjrRuyc5SNz5FH1pdJ4KH5xXvJTaFdlG/OnWQ+mb4xHsnaPVUlO/7vrV6qG6bnFmE=; Message-ID: <971384.36482.qm@web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FybYaP0VM1nqKUQlWBWlkmtUuGgcrD.QzxIRu6OWSPaQoBX RguMkjB729YOHldFqQanz_eIZPNK6fixGKy55Z5zd1hsO_OY.jDAeKV7kRqU VWQWR9868THC46f5CWciLPo4wHYFql.z_9m4k62sk96JdST7wHnKuIq.uFTi r4yJ3I2TlXKKsB8L3INaQBXjAx3SNmyBk8z68yVm.3dGLB2d3sL9_Rk8IpGI 2k1ekOAp6RO.3Dg.Yd0nxyESMqZ0KS.fosEUD06yKtRXq3SUN58ZtmUSZeaB B Received: from [24.148.29.239] by web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:14:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Baxter X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Why are this Erik and Henk muted? Did they injure their vocal boxes in an accident somewhere??? Poor Men!!!! To: baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1663774070-1272262472=:36482" X-Barracuda-Connect: web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[68.180.199.26] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272262474 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: POST-TO GNSO LIST Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Why are this Erik and Henk muted? Did they injure their vocal boxes in an accident somewhere??? Poor Men!!!! X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 06:14:35 -0000 --0-1663774070-1272262472=:36482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh ok crackpot joe - the police should have the handcuf on herman already and he is in prison then, good. But wait just for a minute - he isnt in the police station? Oh my my - why could this be? Maybe just that all of the links the John posted with the truth about crackpott joe shows him to be a crazy lier and that, yes - his proofs about so-called stealing are all pretend media stories that he makes to sound like the new york Times wrote them, when they are all fictionality. So, its not so much how the people joe claims are telling falsly, its more that they didnt say all of those items and joe is lying about them saying stuff or more likely he is mispresenting their statement and when you go to talk to them, they would be like the German kid who says "who is this person and why did he attack after me? - I never heard from him or did things to him before" and so did the confused head master of the high school. So joe, get these ficticional persons (or their stories are made in your head only) to post right on the e-mail listings right here and give testamony in person. Because, joe, you know in the court rooms what you have here so far is called here-say evidance and the judge will get very mad and not permit this non sense. Its so funny that these peoples seem to have lost their voice and are like little helpless babes who cant speak for themselves - are they mice or man? (Hint, they dont exist or have no ideas how you misuse their reputations to further your slandering). So joe, where are this Henk and Erik guys and why don't THEY ever complain loud about stealing from them? Did they even call the police in Netherlands to complain. And who can think that its true that police will ignore so many torrints of calls from people claiming that herman is stealing left and right all over Holland and such? That so non realstic and so conveenient for your story but reality speaks of the opposite and most people have opposite common sense and know what you are, but in closing, just in case they didn't get all of the links, I'll put them back here from Johns post - people REALLY NEED to read up on this data to know what joe has committed in the years ago. Thoms IMPORTANT LINKS - YOU MUST ALL STUDY THESE - PLEASE FOR YOUR OWN INFORMATION !!!! http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03817.html http://www.tranquileye.com/magic/magic_stuff/Toronto_Net_loons.htm http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-April/000021.html http://inaic.com/index.php?p=internet-terror BAX! Names Allentown http://www.bax-names-allentown.com Computer setup, training, software and services Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD. ________________________________ From: Joe Baptista To: ga@gnso.icann.org Cc: Henk Smit ; "Smit, Henk" ; Eric MacIver ; Eric MacIver Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 9:07:09 PM Subject: Re: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - update on Palmer Baptista twitter war commentary below .... On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:29 PM, John Palmer wrote: > > > > > >Why is Henk saying this? Because he is lying. >Plain and simple. Ok - let do some score keeping here. The tally to date is as follows ... According to you Henk Smit and Martijn Burger are lying. The principle of the High School in Germany you guys are defrauding according to you is confused. What about Eric MacIver is he lying too? He has already confirmed he was defrauded of his TLDs. It seems all the people in the TLDA/INAIC scam claim victims of the scam are lying. I think there's only one person here John who is lying. And thats not me or Henk or Martijn or Eric. Or alternatively, he never said this >and you made up or forged e-mail from someone by >that name, which you have been known to do in >the past. Why don't you pick up the phone and call him. Send me a private email and I'll send you his vcard. I know you won't do that. A good scammer never follows up with the victims. I never stole any TLD from anyone nor particpated in any such thing. Yes you have. You are a root operator to INAIC and one of it's chief apologist and evangelist and have participated in the sale of stolen TLDs from Henk Smit and Eric MacIver. ICANN is the >only one that >stole a TLD (.BIZ) and is planning on the biggest >TLD heist ever, The reason why ICANN stole that TLD is because the lame duck core at the TLDA - ie the current trailer park boys - never got off their asses and put some effort into organizing the community. Why do you think I supported Xennt in NewRoot and INAIC. You guys at the TLDA have great mouthpieces - but you have never produced anything in your entire existence since 1999 when you tried to be a constituency of ICANN. and thanks to your actions in 2005, they >have carte blanche to do so. Incorrect. My actions in 2005 closed the show. I was deceived ... my ideas corrupted ... and the curtain came down with a bang. I disagree with you that had I turned my back on allowing Xennt to be the sole member in INAIC ... and if I had overlooked the 100,000 euro more or less stolen by Herman and Marcel Bor an employee of UNIDT ... and if I ignored all the other irregularities there is a slim though very unlikely chance a corrupt system like INAIC could of beaten ICANN. Eventually the story would of gotten out - people were investigating in Government positions - including Turkey. ICANN insiders knew there was something stinky about your INAIC root by the time they were shitting themselves when we took over resolution for Equant, SITA & Tiscali (i.e. most of Europe). But when we took over Turkey .. the sparks started to fly ... the shit hit the fan ... and people in Government positions were asking the question ... why is the Turkish Internet run by an ex felon? I would be asking the same if I were in their shoes. So I'm very glad I brought down the INAIC scam. I saved a lot of potential victims from becoming victims .. and I ended my INAIC experiment with a bang - just like it started. John ... I will never allow my name to be associated with a fraud. It was my baby and rightfully mine to kill. Now with the courtesy of this response I ask you on behalf of my TLD Holders ... can they expect a refund from you and all the others who participated in this fraud of selling them TLDs that were stolen? > >I am done with this thread for now (I promise), but >if Joe starts coughing up >another fact-challenged hairball, I'll have to come >back to clean up the record >with factful Lysol. Fine I'm not going away .. this is the John Palmer accountability forum. As for your promise. You have made that promise before and not kept it. And feel free to use any Lysol you wish. But while your using that Lysol - why not point it at yourself and give us some facts on this claim from Henk Smit his TLDs and those of Nameslinger were stolen. >PS: No Joe, I won't take yout ARIN-PPML >bait. I was under the impression you were baiting me. Thats why I distanced myself as much as possible from having anything to do with you therefore providing you with an even bigger bate to nibble on. The fact your refusing the nibble shows me your undergoing a learning curve and being less obsessive in your behavior towards me. You have to ask the TLDA what happened. Why were the TLDs stolen ... why have they done nothing. And is there not a conflict of interest here. Everyone in control of the TLDA participated at one time or another as a principle of INAIC. I have so many questions John ... cheers joe baptista > > >Cheers, >John >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Joe >> Baptista >>To: ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA >>Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:07 >>PM >>Subject: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - >> update on Palmer Baptista twitter war >> >> >>Well since John Palmer is incapable of answering any of the >> questions posed to him - especially the claims of theft from Henk Smit - I >> will instead update you on the Twitter war Mr. Palmer is having with me. It's >> going slow. The last official tweet I got from John seemed like a plea from >> him to me to let him get in the last word. Check it out http://twitter.com/Web_Lion/status/12794641835 >> >>When >> I'm dead John you can have the last word on this. For now were all waiting for >> you to tell us - why is Henk Smit claiming you guys stole his >> TLDs? >> >>However on a brighter note and as I predicted yesterday my robot >> Lisa http://bit.ly/cQdh2y now has more >> followers then Palmer's Web_Lion http://bit.ly/91lovb which proves my point >> that big tits always have an advantage over psychotic behavior. I think John >> would agree. >> >>regards >>joe baptista >> -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium ---------------------------------------------------------------- The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 Personal: http://baptista.cynikal.net/ --0-1663774070-1272262472=:36482 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Oh ok crackpot joe - the police should have the handcuf on herman already and he is
in prison then, good.

But wait just for a minute - he isnt in the police station? Oh my my - why could this be?

Maybe just that all of the links the John posted with the truth about crackpott joe shows him
to be a crazy lier and that, yes - his proofs about so-called stealing are all pretend media
stories that he makes to sound like the new york Times wrote them, when they are all fictionality.

So, its not so much how the people joe claims are telling falsly, its more that they didnt say
all of those items and joe is lying about them saying stuff or more likely he is mispresenting
their statement and when you go to talk to them, they would be like the German kid who says
"who is this person and why did he attack after me? - I never heard from him or did things to
him before" and so did the confused head master of the high school.

So joe, get these ficticional persons (or their stories are made in your head only) to post right on
the e-mail listings right here and give testamony in person. Because, joe, you know in the court rooms
what you have here so far is called here-say evidance and the judge will get very mad and not
permit this non sense. Its so funny that these peoples seem to have lost their voice and are
like little helpless babes who cant speak for themselves - are they mice or man?  (Hint, they
dont exist or have no ideas how you misuse their reputations to further your slandering).

So joe,  where are this Henk and Erik guys and why don't THEY ever complain loud about stealing
from them? Did they even call the police in Netherlands to complain. And who can think that its
true that police will ignore so many torrints of calls from people claiming that herman is stealing
left and right all over Holland and such? That so non realstic and so conveenient for your story
but reality speaks of the opposite and most people have opposite common sense and know what
you are, but in closing, just in case they didn't get all of the links, I'll put them back here
from Johns post - people REALLY NEED to read up on this data to know what joe has committed
in the years ago.

Thoms

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From: Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org>
To: ga@gnso.icann.org
Cc: Henk Smit <hjm.smit@upcmail.nl>; "Smit, Henk" <hjm.smit@chello.nl>; Eric MacIver <ericmaciver@gmail.com>; Eric MacIver <maciver@madmojo.com>
Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 9:07:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - update on Palmer Baptista twitter war

commentary below ....

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:29 PM, John Palmer <jpalmer@american-webmasters.net> wrote:
Why is Henk saying this? Because he is lying. Plain and simple.

Ok - let do some score keeping here. The tally to date is as follows ...

According to you Henk Smit and Martijn Burger are lying. The principle of the High School in Germany you guys are defrauding according to you is confused. What about Eric MacIver is he lying too? He has already confirmed he was defrauded of his TLDs.

It seems all the people in the TLDA/INAIC scam claim victims of the scam are lying. I think there's only one person here John who is lying. And thats not me or Henk or Martijn or Eric.
 
Or alternatively, he never said this
and you made up or forged e-mail from someone by that name, which you have been known to do in
the past.

Why don't you pick up the phone and call him. Send me a private email and I'll send you his vcard. I know you won't do that. A good scammer never follows up with the victims.


I never stole any TLD from anyone nor particpated in any such thing.

Yes you have. You are a root operator to INAIC and one of it's chief apologist and evangelist and have participated in the sale of stolen TLDs from Henk Smit and Eric MacIver.
 
 
ICANN is the only one that
stole a TLD (.BIZ) and is planning on the biggest TLD heist ever,

The reason why ICANN stole that TLD is because the lame duck core at the TLDA - ie the current trailer park boys - never got off their asses and put some effort into organizing the community. Why do you think I supported Xennt in NewRoot and INAIC. You guys at the TLDA have great mouthpieces - but you have never produced anything in your entire existence since 1999 when you tried to be a constituency of ICANN.
 
and thanks to your actions in 2005, they
have carte blanche to do so.

Incorrect. My actions in 2005 closed the show. I was deceived ... my ideas corrupted ... and the curtain came down with a bang.

I disagree with you that had I turned my back on allowing Xennt to be the sole member in INAIC ... and if I had overlooked the 100,000 euro more or less stolen by Herman and Marcel Bor an employee of UNIDT ... and if I ignored all the other irregularities there is a slim though very unlikely chance a corrupt system like INAIC could of beaten ICANN.

Eventually the story would of gotten out - people were investigating in Government positions - including Turkey.

ICANN insiders knew there was something stinky about your INAIC root by the time they were shitting themselves when we took over resolution for Equant, SITA & Tiscali (i.e. most of Europe). But when we took over Turkey .. the sparks started to fly ... the shit hit the fan ... and people in Government positions were asking the question ... why is the Turkish Internet run by an ex felon?

I would be asking the same if I were in their shoes.

So I'm very glad I brought down the INAIC scam. I saved a lot of potential victims from becoming victims .. and I ended my INAIC experiment with a bang - just like it started.

John ... I will never allow my name to be associated with a fraud. It was my baby and rightfully mine to kill.

Now with the courtesy of this response I ask you on behalf of my TLD Holders ... can they expect a refund from you and all the others who participated in this fraud of selling them TLDs that were stolen?



I am done with this thread for now (I promise), but if Joe starts coughing up
another fact-challenged hairball, I'll have to come back to clean up the record
with factful Lysol.

Fine I'm not going away .. this is the John Palmer accountability forum.

As for your promise. You have made that promise before and not kept it.

And feel free to use any Lysol you wish. But while your using that Lysol - why not point it at yourself and give us some facts on this claim from Henk Smit his TLDs and those of Nameslinger were stolen.
 
 
PS: No Joe, I won't take yout ARIN-PPML bait.

I was under the impression you were baiting me. Thats why I distanced myself as much as possible from having anything to do with you therefore providing you with an even bigger bate to nibble on. The fact your refusing the nibble shows me your undergoing a learning curve and being less obsessive in your behavior towards me.

You have to ask the TLDA what happened. Why were the TLDs stolen ... why have they done nothing. And is there not a conflict of interest here. Everyone in control of the TLDA participated at one time or another as a principle of INAIC.

I have so many questions John ...

cheers
joe baptista

 
 
Cheers,
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Baptista
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:07 PM
Subject: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - update on Palmer Baptista twitter war


Well since John Palmer is incapable of answering any of the questions posed to him - especially the claims of theft from Henk Smit - I will instead update you on the Twitter war Mr. Palmer is having with me. It's going slow. The last official tweet I got from John seemed like a plea from him to me to let him get in the last word. Check it out http://twitter.com/Web_Lion/status/12794641835

When I'm dead John you can have the last word on this. For now were all waiting for you to tell us - why is Henk Smit claiming you guys stole his TLDs?

However on a brighter note and as I predicted yesterday my robot Lisa http://bit.ly/cQdh2y now has more followers then Palmer's Web_Lion http://bit.ly/91lovb which proves my point that big tits always have an advantage over psychotic behavior. I think John would agree.

regards
joe baptista



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Did they injure their vocal boxes in an accident somewhere??? Poor Men!!!! Subject: Re: [Baptista-offenses] Why are this Erik and Henk muted? Did they injure their vocal boxes in an accident somewhere??? Poor Men!!!! 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KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle ========================================================================= On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Thomas Baxter wrote: > Oh ok crackpot joe - the police should have the handcuf on herman already and he is > in prison then, good. > > But wait just for a minute - he isnt in the police station? Oh my my - why could this be? > > Maybe just that all of the links the John posted with the truth about crackpott joe shows him > to be a crazy lier and that, yes - his proofs about so-called stealing are all pretend media > stories that he makes to sound like the new york Times wrote them, when they are all fictionality. > > So, its not so much how the people joe claims are telling falsly, its more that they didnt say > all of those items and joe is lying about them saying stuff or more likely he is mispresenting > their statement and when you go to talk to them, they would be like the German kid who says > "who is this person and why did he attack after me? - I never heard from him or did things to > him before" and so did the confused head master of the high school. > > So joe, get these ficticional persons (or their stories are made in your head only) to post right on > the e-mail listings right here and give testamony in person. Because, joe, you know in the court rooms > what you have here so far is called here-say evidance and the judge will get very mad and not > permit this non sense. Its so funny that these peoples seem to have lost their voice and are > like little helpless babes who cant speak for themselves - are they mice or man? (Hint, they > dont exist or have no ideas how you misuse their reputations to further your slandering). > > So joe, where are this Henk and Erik guys and why don't THEY ever complain loud about stealing > from them? Did they even call the police in Netherlands to complain. And who can think that its > true that police will ignore so many torrints of calls from people claiming that herman is stealing > left and right all over Holland and such? That so non realstic and so conveenient for your story > but reality speaks of the opposite and most people have opposite common sense and know what > you are, but in closing, just in case they didn't get all of the links, I'll put them back here > from Johns post - people REALLY NEED to read up on this data to know what joe has committed > in the years ago. > > Thoms > > IMPORTANT LINKS - YOU MUST ALL STUDY THESE - PLEASE FOR YOUR OWN INFORMATION !!!! > > > http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03817.html > > http://www.tranquileye.com/magic/magic_stuff/Toronto_Net_loons.htm > > http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-April/000021.html > http://inaic.com/index.php?p=internet-terror > > BAX! Names Allentown > http://www.bax-names-allentown.com > Computer setup, training, software and services > Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Baptista > To: ga@gnso.icann.org > Cc: Henk Smit ; "Smit, Henk" ; Eric MacIver ; Eric MacIver > Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 9:07:09 PM > Subject: Re: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - update on Palmer Baptista twitter war > > commentary below .... > > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:29 PM, John Palmer wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> Why is Henk saying this? Because he is lying. >> Plain and simple. > > Ok - let do some score keeping here. The tally to date is as follows ... > > According to you Henk Smit and Martijn Burger are lying. The principle of the High School in Germany you guys are defrauding according to you is confused. What about Eric MacIver is he lying too? He has already confirmed he was defrauded of his TLDs. > > It seems all the people in the TLDA/INAIC scam claim victims of the scam are lying. I think there's only one person here John who is lying. And thats not me or Henk or Martijn or Eric. > > Or alternatively, he never said this >> and you made up or forged e-mail from someone by >> that name, which you have been known to do in >> the past. > > Why don't you pick up the phone and call him. Send me a private email and I'll send you his vcard. I know you won't do that. A good scammer never follows up with the victims. > > > > I never stole any TLD from anyone nor particpated in any such thing. > > Yes you have. You are a root operator to INAIC and one of it's chief apologist and evangelist and have participated in the sale of stolen TLDs from Henk Smit and Eric MacIver. > > > ICANN is the >> only one that >> stole a TLD (.BIZ) and is planning on the biggest >> TLD heist ever, > > The reason why ICANN stole that TLD is because the lame duck core at the TLDA - ie the current trailer park boys - never got off their asses and put some effort into organizing the community. Why do you think I supported Xennt in NewRoot and INAIC. You guys at the TLDA have great mouthpieces - but you have never produced anything in your entire existence since 1999 when you tried to be a constituency of ICANN. > > and thanks to your actions in 2005, they >> have carte blanche to do so. > > Incorrect. My actions in 2005 closed the show. I was deceived ... my ideas corrupted ... and the curtain came down with a bang. > > I disagree with you that had I turned my back on allowing Xennt to be the sole member in INAIC ... and if I had overlooked the 100,000 euro more or less stolen by Herman and Marcel Bor an employee of UNIDT ... and if I ignored all the other irregularities there is a slim though very unlikely chance a corrupt system like INAIC could of beaten ICANN. > > Eventually the story would of gotten out - people were investigating in Government positions - including Turkey. > > ICANN insiders knew there was something stinky about your INAIC root by the time they were shitting themselves when we took over resolution for Equant, SITA & Tiscali (i.e. most of Europe). But when we took over Turkey .. the sparks started to fly ... the shit hit the fan ... and people in Government positions were asking the question ... why is the Turkish Internet run by an ex felon? > > I would be asking the same if I were in their shoes. > > So I'm very glad I brought down the INAIC scam. I saved a lot of potential victims from becoming victims .. and I ended my INAIC experiment with a bang - just like it started. > > John ... I will never allow my name to be associated with a fraud. It was my baby and rightfully mine to kill. > > Now with the courtesy of this response I ask you on behalf of my TLD Holders ... can they expect a refund from you and all the others who participated in this fraud of selling them TLDs that were stolen? > > > > >> >> I am done with this thread for now (I promise), but >> if Joe starts coughing up >> another fact-challenged hairball, I'll have to come >> back to clean up the record >> with factful Lysol. > > Fine I'm not going away .. this is the John Palmer accountability forum. > > As for your promise. You have made that promise before and not kept it. > > And feel free to use any Lysol you wish. But while your using that Lysol - why not point it at yourself and give us some facts on this claim from Henk Smit his TLDs and those of Nameslinger were stolen. > > >> PS: No Joe, I won't take yout ARIN-PPML >> bait. > > I was under the impression you were baiting me. Thats why I distanced myself as much as possible from having anything to do with you therefore providing you with an even bigger bate to nibble on. The fact your refusing the nibble shows me your undergoing a learning curve and being less obsessive in your behavior towards me. > > You have to ask the TLDA what happened. Why were the TLDs stolen ... why have they done nothing. And is there not a conflict of interest here. Everyone in control of the TLDA participated at one time or another as a principle of INAIC. > > I have so many questions John ... > > cheers > joe baptista > > >> >> >> Cheers, >> John >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joe >>> Baptista >>> To: ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA >>> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:07 >>> PM >>> Subject: [ga] Tweeting twits tweet away - >>> update on Palmer Baptista twitter war >>> >>> >>> Well since John Palmer is incapable of answering any of the >>> questions posed to him - especially the claims of theft from Henk Smit - I >>> will instead update you on the Twitter war Mr. Palmer is having with me. It's >>> going slow. The last official tweet I got from John seemed like a plea from >>> him to me to let him get in the last word. Check it out http://twitter.com/Web_Lion/status/12794641835 >>> >>> When >>> I'm dead John you can have the last word on this. For now were all waiting for >>> you to tell us - why is Henk Smit claiming you guys stole his >>> TLDs? >>> >>> However on a brighter note and as I predicted yesterday my robot >>> Lisa http://bit.ly/cQdh2y now has more >>> followers then Palmer's Web_Lion http://bit.ly/91lovb which proves my point >>> that big tits always have an advantage over psychotic behavior. I think John >>> would agree. >>> >>> regards >>> joe baptista >>> > > > -- > Joe Baptista > > www.publicroot.org > PublicRoot Consortium > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) > Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 > > Personal: http://baptista.cynikal.net/ > From baxtertms@yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 17:10:11 2010 Received: from zira-the-spamkiller.adns.net ([198.180.140.250]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O6syp-0005Xw-IX for baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:10:11 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1272406204-197400010000-jBn1bC X-Barracuda-URL: http://198.180.140.250:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET (Spam & Virus Firewall) with SMTP id 094745337A for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:10:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [68.180.199.30]) by ZIRA-THE-SPAMKILLER.ADNS.NET with SMTP id qEZSBmzwkES4nACR for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:10:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: baxtertms@yahoo.com X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: (qmail 82733 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2010 22:10:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1272406203; bh=JEPzIA9yeRY93CVbWeADfZED7AAo3NMihWnr7DdTL2Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VZnoNmkH8iTGx3jHCQ1m7VQcMd/FFOwmBQcX+0bsC3oqWAP/T5hMxQBL1LFTJAf531W7vkxPdGlrtT2vQ8bDu4jqqvljKLgFr9xSXHvwuj2bYLXsOf+ZYWqBBl8Q8d8M4yqqV8alnGj/JaBUaXm/3HDzKuoB1iAuYlXRCeMTfEI= X-Barracuda-BBL-IP: nil DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2EdzW+v7ihVBBSzhsM8xwU74LqfNO5v/usumhfrgS/GsC4pru/V5tfgydDuW6UpfU4KdP/yoMp8SUQVFRQ8CltFeRbBsCtwLjydT+BRF4EQwNXNMUIq+F4g2bzf8aGzoWL6BEJuYAtfhSKusSEe+Uxo3Sh5Z7F56oC2fAbTmHYI=; Message-ID: <993582.12707.qm@web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GnqB2Z0VM1li5L.WlKJXQ_EPt3i.iqzhclh2qM__xv.h5.4 lqmfKWZLAuKFZC._xCKfgYUBESUjwdCdLT_Rm1oRK8X_7sLSMkUTzOG8Lzdf LaT7.TfUBoVAGoI8ohvIjg4gsGDmXz4h3bAoqN5lE.HoNW7Sm5eU1mg050P7 5GVqBcnZDgF4iVKAZjd8WtdbpYT0I5snTCzIsujXvTYMQkEhzXUuIMDikSvQ D6cuXT3gumYIZR776QGYt4YN5Q.NzMz5I8he_M3ZHC52zrBTW9EneBNMi2Xc L Received: from [38.106.151.98] by web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:10:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Baxter X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [ga] European MP says "unbelievable" German high school student getting away with domain scam To: POST-TO GNSO LIST In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2034879298-1272406202=:12707" X-Barracuda-Connect: web45709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[68.180.199.30] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1272406210 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall at ADNS.NET Cc: baptista-offenses@lair.lionpost.net Subject: [Baptista-offenses] Re: [ga] European MP says "unbelievable" German high school student getting away with domain scam X-BeenThere: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: baptista-offenses@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:10:11 -0000 --0-2034879298-1272406202=:12707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WATCH OUT - FRAUD WARNING FRAUD WARNING FRAUD WARNING=0A=0AJOE IS LYING AGA= IN - The link that he posts here is to his pages and he does the things=0AI= said about just in my last message!!!!=0A=0AThis is a FAKE STORY and is no= jornalism!!! Joe writes all of this himself and makes it sould =0Alike its= a athority likea reporter, but its ALL HIS OWN WORDINGS AND NONE OF IT CAM= E FROM=0AANY PAPER.=0A=0AThere is NO german law person who made any such st= atement - this whole link of=0AJoes is a bald lie and a complete fantasie.= =0A=0ATAKE NOTE ALL PEOPLE: This as a primary example of the exact method t= hat joe tries to=0Areel people in by make them think he is showing real jor= nalistic material, when its all a lie=0A=0AI lived through the bullshit und= er the communists in Zvolen city for many years - dont allow this=0Ato happ= en in a free nation without you all knowing what lies are in these links. = =0A=0A =0ASing for freedom and the TRUE WORDS like we Slovaks did for many = years and fight Joe like Matuska would do:=0A=0A=0ANad Tatrou*1 sa bl=C3=BD= ska, There is lightning over the Tatras,*1 =0Ahromy divo bij=C3=BA. thunder= claps wildly beat. =0AZastavme ich, bratia, Let us stop them, brothers, =0A= ve=C4=8F sa ony stratia, They'll just disappear, =0ASlov=C3=A1ci o=C5=BEij= =C3=BA. the Slovaks will revive. =0A =0A =0ATo Slovensko na=C5=A1e That Sl= ovakia of ours =0Aposia=C4=BE tvrdo spalo. has been fast asleep so far. =0A= Ale blesky hromu But the thunder's lightning =0Avzbudzuj=C3=BA ho k tomu, = is rousing it =0Aaby sa prebralo.*2 to come to.*2 =0A=0A= =0ABAX! Names Allentown=0Ahttp://www.bax-names-allentown.com=0AComputer set= up, training, software and services=0AComing soon: BAX-Mail - free web emai= l under the BAX TLD.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:= Joe Baptista =0ATo: "ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA" =0ASent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:48:44 AM=0ASubject: [ga] Eu= ropean MP says "unbelievable" German high school student getting away with= domain scam=0A=0A=0AUPDATE: European MP "unbelievable" German high school = student getting away with fraud =0AApril 26, 2010 =0AToday a German member= of the European Parliament said its "unbelievable that this could happen" = =0Ato the Gymnasium Querfurt in Germany. Christopher Mettin a student at th= e prestigious German =0Ahigh school continues to sell Top-Level Domains usi= ng his schools reputation as a marketing =0Atool. Mettin is an associate of= Herman Xennt a convicted felon in the Netherlands (details at main story b= elow). =0ADr. Hans-Jorg Daumer Principle of the Gymnasium Querfurt said "Ch= ristopher is not commissioned =0Ato act on behalf of the Gymnasium Querfurt= " and further stated Mettin would be prohibited from =0Ausing the schools n= ame to sell domains. =0ABut to date the principles efforts have been in vei= n. Mettins website and the INAIC.com site run by Herman Xennt=0Acontinue to= use the schools reputation to sell a questionable product=0Aand service to= unsuspecting members of the public. =0AEU MP Jan Albrecht advises any vict= ims in the fraud contact the German police directly. Main story: http://bit= .ly/5AEP1w=0A --0-2034879298-1272406202=:12707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WATCH OUT - FRAUD WARNING FRAUD WARNING FRAUD WARNING

JOE IS LY= ING AGAIN - The link that he posts here is to his pages and he does the thi= ngs
I said about just in my last message!!!!

This is a FAKE STORY= and is no jornalism!!! Joe writes all of this himself and makes it sould <= br>like its a athority likea reporter, but its ALL HIS OWN WORDINGS AND NON= E OF IT CAME FROM
ANY PAPER.

There is NO german law person who ma= de any such statement - this whole link of
Joes is a bald lie and a comp= lete fantasie.

TAKE NOTE ALL PEOPLE: This as a primary example of th= e exact method that joe tries to
reel people in by make them think he is= showing real jornalistic material, when its all a lie

I lived throu= gh the bullshit under the communists in Zvolen city for many years - dont allow this
to happen in a free nation without you all knowing what= lies are in these links.
 
Sing for freedom and the TRUE = WORDS like we Slovaks did for many years and fight Joe like Matuska would d= o:

= =0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ais rousing it=0A=0A=0A= =0A
Nad Tatrou*1 sa bl=C3=BDska,Ther= e is lightning over the Tatras,*1
hromy divo bij=C3=BA.thunderclaps wildly beat.=0A
Zastavme ich, bratia,Let us stop them, = brothers,
ve=C4=8F sa ony stratia,The= y'll just disappear,
Slov=C3=A1ci o=C5=BEij=C3=BA= .the Slovaks will revive.
 
To Slovensko na=C5=A1eTha= t Slovakia of ours
posia=C4=BE tvrdo spalo.has been fast asleep so far.
Ale blesky hr= omuBut the thunder's lightning
vzbudz= uj=C3=BA ho k tomu,         &n= bsp;          
aby sa prebralo.*2to come to.*2



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From: Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org>
To: "ga@gnso.icann.org >> GA" <ga@gns= o.icann.org>
Sent: M= on, April 26, 2010 10:48:44 AM
Sub= ject: [ga] European MP says "unbelievable" German high school st= udent getting=20 away with domain scam

=0A

=0AUPDATE: European MP "unbelievable" German h= igh school student getting away with fraud=0A

=0A

=0AApril 26, 20= 10=0A

=0A=0A

=0A=0AToday a German member of the Eur= opean Parliament said its "unbelievable that this could happen" =0Ato the G= ymnasium Querfurt in Germany. Christopher Mettin a student at the prestigio= us German =0Ahigh school continues to sell Top-Level Domains using his scho= ols reputation as a marketing =0Atool. Mettin is an associate of Herman Xen= nt a convicted felon in the Netherlands (details at main story below).=0A= =0A

=0ADr. Hans-Jorg Daumer Principle of the Gymnasium Querfurt said = "Christopher is not commissioned =0Ato act on behalf of the Gymnasium Querf= urt" and further stated Mettin would be prohibited from =0Ausing the school= s name to sell domains. =0A=0A

=0ABut to date the principles efforts = have been in vein. Mettins website and the =0AINAIC.com site run by Herman Xennt= =0Acontinue to use the schools reputation to sell a questionable product=0A= and service to unsuspecting members of the public.=0A

=0AEU MP Jan Al= brecht advises any victims in the fraud contact the German police directly.= =0A=0A

Main story: http://bit.ly/5AEP1w
=0A
=0A
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